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[jcuve]

The coin you have was damaged, it is not an error coin. Something seems to have pressed the sides pushing a small amount of metal up and down. Maybe it was encased. But damage like that is damage - explaining it won't make it an error coin. Not finding an explanation won't make it an error coin either. Error coins are explained in terms of the minting process and how a mishap or mishaps led to any number of configurations.

The scrape in the body and 7 shows it was also damaged in a counting/rolling machine. The doubling is non-collectible. What you show on eBay is a 2013 with die wear and should not be purchased for more than .01¢ as that's what it is worth.

Keep up the hunt!

[PChammer]

It seems I've been highly misunderstood and a bit insulted.

1. I'm not explaining anything away to MAKE it an error, nor is that my intent. I am simply trying to look at all aspects of it and what I've seen in others to pinpoint what caused it.

2. The Ebay item had nothing to do with any doubling, I was merely showing the rim has the same ridge going around as mine and the only ones I've seen that do had doubling elsewhere which I clearly stated I do not and I know that.

Reading over what I wrote, I'm still not sure how these last replies came to the conclusion I was insinuating anything other than the fact I can't find anything that relates to an error or otherwise. I was simply trying to find the cause of this, being an error or not.

It's not worth anything which is obvious, including my time.

Good day.

[jcuve]

I am not trying to insult you. I see you are passionate about your find and trying to understand it. I just don't want you to walk away thinking it is an error coin. A number of users tried to explain what they saw, you came back and starting making it seem, whether you meant to or not, that what you had was an error or a double[d] die. You say "double die" and "error" in your statement. I apologize if I misunderstood, but that's the way you were coming across.

[simonm]

I really don't see how any of the replies could be construed as "insulting". We are all here to learn and provide the best explanation that we can. I'm sorry if you thought otherwise, we are just doing our best to make it clear that the coin you have posted in this thread is NOT an error.

[liveandievarieties]

I deleted a post in this thread because it added nothing to the subject content of the issue at hand.

Moderators will be moderating threads closely to ensure that the integrity and purpose of LCR are adhered to.

As moderators, we feel that each member has the right to an equal voice when their perspectives are presented respectfully and coherently. We also feel that it's important that these perspectives are presented in a civil tone without undertones of sarcasm or negativity.

In the future, any posts that show sideways comments, attempts to discredit a member or anything else that is counter to the ideals of this site will be subject to deletion. Free speech is great and LCR is not going to debate constitutional law, but civility will be adhered to even if only through "moderation".

[liveandievarieties]

I also think it's important for people asking for opinions or offering perspectives to be open minded and remember that they are asking genuine, actual experts that are renown for their perspectives and experience.

It's always tough hearing what we'd rather not, but asking for help then arguing about the help given isn't a productive way to achieve results.

In contrast, it's important that the OP be able to clearly explain their perspective, they should have the greatest opportunity to communicate what they are attempting.

[georoxx]

...it's important that the OP be able to clearly explain their perspective,

True. Often in these types of situations, I've noticed that the OP is often (sometimes?) a newbie. Newbies seldom have command of the numismatic language sufficient to articulate their points.

Just some additional food for thought.

-George

[liveandievarieties]

I couldn't agree more George.

It's easy to know what we have already learned and far less easy to remember how confusing and clouded our world of technical jargon is to a beginner (let alone the minting process itself).

Admittedly, I've had my share of harsh comments. BUT- I try to reserve that tone for people who have had the same question they are asking answered many times over. It's important to encourage those who WANT to learn. It's also important to recognize individuals who REFUSE to learn. There's a big difference in my world.

[coppercoins]

I just read this thread for the first time, but I did read it all the way through.

To the originator of the thread - I apologize that this thread happened to come on the heels of some rather tense moments, and a number of people are very 'alert' right now. I do not see insulting remarks in the thread, but I do see a lot of back-and-forth posting that really has little to do with you, your coin, or your question.

The answer - or a very plausible answer - to your question was given in the form that the rim could have been flattened with pressure while being squeezed into a bezel of some sort. Another plausible reply would be that your coin suffers from some other form of applying pressure to the edge of the coin to flatten it - whether intentional or not doesn't really matter. You see, the 'cause' of what happened to your coin was not done by the mint thus taking it out of the technical definition of 'error' - instead, it is 'damage'. The exact cause is unknown, and any number of plausible possibilities may arise from as many sources. The fact remains that this effect is not caused by striking the coin at the mint. Something happened to the coin after it left the mint.

I do welcome you to the forum, for what it's worth, and believe that if you stick around until the dust settles from the exchanges of late with which you have no involvement, you will find that the general atmosphere here is fun, educational, and friendly.

I understand that you don't really know anyone here, nor are you probably used to the terminology of the hobby and how strictly it is adhered to by its ardent students, so all of this may come with a bit of confusion. Please feel free to stick around and watch it get better...and it will.