Cud or extra metal

[JC Stevens]

Is this a Cud or extra metal? I’m leaning towards extra metal.

[trails]

I believe it to be extra metal as well.

BJ Neff

[Roller]

Not sure what you mean by "extra metal". If it is adhered to the coin after strike then I could understand the term. However, it looks to have been there when struck, or part of the strike. If the latter is true, it has to be a gouge or interior die break.

[jfines69]

I see no evidence of cracks around the metal so I would have to say excess metal!!!

[willbrooks]

Is this a Cud or extra metal? I’m leaning towards extra metal.

I believe it to be extra metal as well.

BJ Neff

Not sure what you mean by "extra metal". If it is adhered to the coin after strike then I could understand the term. However, it looks to have been there when struck, or part of the strike. If the latter is true, it has to be a gouge or interior die break.

I see no evidence of cracks around the metal so I would have to say excess metal!!!

I'm with George, except I don't see where this is necessarily part of the strike. What exactly do the three of you mean by "extra metal?" Please explain what you mean? When, where, and how did this "extra metal" come from? I have never heard of an "extra metal" error. Do you mean that it is a post-strike adherence? A retained struck-through? A pre-strike error of some kind? Jim, could you please explain what BJ means by means by "extra metal" since you agree with it?

[Roller]

Agree with Will except that a retained struck through would need to be level with the field (in this case) and this anom is raised. That's why I am of the mind that if it is not something adhered to the coin after the strike it has to be an incuse area on the die. Therefore, break, gouge, dent or some other die anom.

[GrumpyEd]

I see a little line between that thing and the rim that wouldn't be there if it was a cud.
Maybe it's something adhered to the coin.

[jfines69]

It does not look like a strike thru or a chip... There appears to be a separation line between the field of the coin and the metal chunk... Also a lite line between the rim and metal... The area next to the rim appears concave which indicates a worn die... That may have allowed a small piece of metal to be struck into the coin without other damage appearing!!!

[mikediamond]

The term "extra metal" was discarded years ago as being meaningless. I think this is a bit of post-strike damage, where a little bit of metal was shaved off the rim and relocated onto the field. Subsequent wear erased evidence of the rim damage.

[mustbebob]

I agree with Mike 100% on this one. I have seen thin lamination peels that have folded over and stuck in certain areas of the coin and the coin is worn to the point of not being able to see where the lamination originated from. The rim would have been my first guess on this particular coin.

[Roller]

I see it now as well. There is a slight depression in the rim directly opposite the anom where this relocated from. So much for my being observant. LOL

[JC Stevens]

If “Extra Metal” is a term no longer used then what is the correct term for a piece of coin metal / lamination peel attached to the surface of a coin.
Alan Herbert in his book “Price Guide to Mint Errors” has a class (III-F) that covers “Extra Metal on a Struck Coin”. Yes I know that the PDS system seems to have died with his passing. Is it, the PDS System, now discarded and meaningless?