Trying to understand CUDS 2000P

[VAB2013]

I have been looking for a Lincoln Cud to no avail. This 2000P has a rim anomaly that I do not understand. At first I thought it was PMD but closer looking shows the same die scratches on the coin are on the incuse rim area also. I have looked at several 2000P cuds on cuds-on-coins.com and it looks like some of them fall off and leave a incuse area. Is that right? Thank you for looking and explaining this so if I find a larger one I will know what I am seeing.

[jfines69]

That appears to be PSD... Looks like something crushed it... It does appear incuse (Sunk in)!!!

[Maineman750]

Well, no...a cud doesn't normally fall off and leave an incuse area on the coin. A cud is created when a piece of the die falls off and that gives you a raised area on the coin. By definition, that piece of die that fell off must also have been connected to the rim in order to be called a cud. Here is the definition from cuds on coins http://cuds-on-coins.com/cuds/

[willbrooks]

I agree with Jim. This one is just damaged. Cuds are very hard to find. I have only found one nice one on a memorial. It is pictured in the glossary. Here it is.

[VAB2013]

Oh wow, I've got the pro's in the house! Thank you all very much! Here is the link from cuds-on-coins.com that had me wondering. Seems like a couple of these, even the first one, looks like the cud fell out (or I am just tired and need some sleep) http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-2000-2008/ Then the 2000-04 looks raised in one photo and incuse in another. Is that a type of high powered photography that shows the detail in the incuse photo. Similar to some of the doubled die photos that show the image incuse? And the 2010-01 looks like the cud fell out. Sorry this is very confusing to me.

[Maineman750]

A cud is created when a piece of the die falls off and that gives you a raised area on the coin.

At the risk of repeating myself, I'm repeating myself

[Maineman750]

And Viv.....what you are seeing on the cuds website is not incuse....it is raised. You are simply processing it incorrectly.....happens to all of us...I call it an "optional illusion"

[stoneman227]

And Viv.....what you are seeing on the cuds website is not incuse....it is raised. You are simply processing it incorrectly.....happens to all of us...I call it an "optional illusion"

I do this all the time with close up pics of the memorial columns and bays. I know what I'm supposed to be seeing and have to force the gray matter to switch gears.

John

[VAB2013]

Thank you everyone! All excellent answers! I am not sure my brain can do all of this

[jfines69]

Some times the lighting angle on a coin can make everything appear reversed... All you need to do is look from the back side Normally when this happens to me I scroll back and forth a few times until my brain adjusts to what I see!!!

[VAB2013]

Thank you Jim, I tried that and still 3 of the ones on the 2000 Cuds page still look incuse to me... maybe my brain will work right some day

[willbrooks]

Cud: A rim to rim die break, resulting in a piece of the die breaking off and falling out. The coins struck by such a die will exhibit a “blob” of raised metal along the rim where the normal design element should be. Cuds are always connected to the rim, else they are called interior die breaks. Due to the missing chunk in the die, the opposite side of the coin will exhibit a weakly struck area as shown in the 2nd photo below. Please visit cuds-on-coins.com for cud listings and attributions.

[jfines69]

Thank you Jim, I tried that and still 3 of the ones on the 2000 Cuds page still look incuse to me... maybe my brain will work right some day

My brain still doesn't work correctly