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  • addictedtocoins
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    • Jan 2012
    • 401

    #1

    1972 split on bust ?

    Not sure what happen to the back of Lincoln's bust.
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  • onecent1909
    Wrong Design Die Expert
    • Feb 2012
    • 2597

    #2
    looks to me like machine doubling ...
    .
    the thing over the 9 and 7 looks like water or glue...it may chip off or can be removed with acetone
    .
    the discoloration on the reverse could be glue that was there when the cent toned and turned brown
    that then chipped off leaving a more red color... or a tarnish remover/chemical came into contact with it in that area
    Last edited by onecent1909; 12-23-2015, 08:58 PM. Reason: What I type sounded bad... which is not what I wanted
    Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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    • jfines69
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 28848

      #3
      I gree with Onecent!!!
      Jim
      (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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      • mustbebob
        Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
        • Jul 2008
        • 12758

        #4
        I agree with the MD on the back of the jacket. However, the spot on the date may not be glue. If it is incuse, it may be a small struck through, so the question is, is it raised or incuse?
        Bob Piazza
        Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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        • addictedtocoins
          Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 401

          #5
          Originally posted by mustbebob
          I agree with the MD on the back of the jacket. However, the spot on the date may not be glue. If it is incuse, it may be a small struck through, so the question is, is it raised or incuse?
          The spot is incused sir. I put it under higher magnification .

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          • kloccwork419
            Banned
            • Sep 2008
            • 6800

            #6
            I agree with the MD and it sure looks like a minor struck through also like Bob said.

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            • onecent1909
              Wrong Design Die Expert
              • Feb 2012
              • 2597

              #7
              OK with the info that it is incused this brings me to a question that I have pondered a few times.
              the area looks "deep". It does not look like it is on the surface.
              it is not a piece of fabric.. I imagine that it is hard so that it is deeply struck
              .
              I have a struck through reeding on a half.
              the design of the eagle can be made out that it is something there but you can not see the edge vs the field.
              It all blends together. Especially under magnification... it is all just a blur
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              On the OP coin in question I see the edge of the 9 and the edge of the 7 vs the field.
              QUESTION: Would a struck through at that location obliterate the edge of the 9 and the 7?
              .. OR.. would you be able to see them vs the field?

              someone with experience in strike through please elaborate on which would happen..... Thanks

              See pics of my Half for comparison
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              Last edited by onecent1909; 12-26-2015, 09:26 AM.
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              • kloccwork419
                Banned
                • Sep 2008
                • 6800

                #8
                Probably best you start a new thread on that coin. I would like to see the obverse also..really cool

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                • mustbebob
                  Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 12758

                  #9
                  The spot is incused sir. I put it under higher magnification .
                  In this case, the spot is most likely a struck through.

                  QUESTION: Would a struck through at that location obliterate the edge of the 9 and the 7?
                  .. OR.. would you be able to see them vs the field?
                  A struck through wouldn't necessarily obliterate the edges of the devices. It could have been some hardened grease that broke down while it was being stamped. If this is the case, it would push them (the edges) straight down There are many variables that could come into play depending on what was in the striking chamber at the time.
                  Bob Piazza
                  Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                  • jfines69
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 28848

                    #10
                    I think if you look at it like a lamination peel you will be able to understand why the edges of the numbers are still visible under the field level... In a fairly shallow lamination peel on devices you can still see the device remnants below the field level and the device remnants disappear the deeper it goes... Hope that helps some???
                    Jim
                    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                    • onecent1909
                      Wrong Design Die Expert
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 2597

                      #11
                      I am starting a thread on my question...
                      Sorry for high jacking the thread David.
                      Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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                      • kloccwork419
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 6800

                        #12
                        Originally posted by onecent1909
                        I am starting a thread on my question...
                        Sorry for high jacking the thread David.
                        I just want to see the Kennedy...lolol. I never seen one like that

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                        • addictedtocoins
                          Member
                          • Jan 2012
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by onecent1909
                          I am starting a thread on my question...
                          Sorry for high jacking the thread David.
                          Lol ! No problem sir ! It's ok !

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                          • addictedtocoins
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                            • Jan 2012
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                            #14
                            The information is helpful !

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