1909 VDB w/no period marks between letters.

[GrumpyEd]

Yes, the rim is odd, normal at the top and double at the bottom.

The VDB location is never centered on them.

I'm not sure what's up with the coin. It's not one of the really obvious fakes (they do make fakes even without the S).
There are real ones missing the dots.

Always good to show both sides of a coin, the obv might tell more.

Interesting thread about the initials, dot positions, missing dots:

CU link

[jfines69]

There does appear to be a lamination from the west rim thru the stalk and into the field and U of UNITED... What about the spacing of the VDB??? The D looks closer to the V than the B... The coins shown on Eds link have the D centered... Could you get a clear close up of the VDB and a full obv pic???

[GrumpyEd]

There does appear to be a lamination from the west rim thru the stalk and into the field and U of UNITED... What about the spacing of the VDB??? The D looks closer to the V than the B... The coins shown on Eds link have the D centered... Could you get a clear close up of the VDB and a full obv pic???

I know what you mean. The rev does not look like the common fakes, the most common has the chip near the left stalk, others have a deformed O on OF, others have rounded corners on the rev letters ot the field is too flat. But still something bugs me when I look at this reverse, mostly the VDB even if the dots were there it still looks strange. I doubt it's an added VDB, if it's VDB is fake then the coin is fake.

Remember the thread about the China fake coin factory, that outfit offered every early date not just the keys so nothing can be assumed.

Really need to see the obv, the bust style or date might make things clear.

[jfines69]

I know what you mean. The rev does not look like the common fakes, the most common has the chip near the left stalk, others have a deformed O on OF, others have rounded corners on the rev letters ot the field is too flat. But still something bugs me when I look at this reverse, mostly the VDB even if the dots were there it still looks strange. I doubt it's an added VDB, if it's VDB is fake then the coin is fake.

Remember the thread about the China fake coin factory, that outfit offered every early date not just the keys so nothing can be assumed.

Really need to see the obv, the bust style or date might make things clear.

I do remember that thread and the chip on the stalk... This coin doesn't appear to be a sand mold either and the brown looks really good to me any way???

[jfines69]

Found the thread - http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...esource-thread

[Roller]

Curiosity got me to look through nearly a whole tube of VDB's and just from this limited exam. I found a number of coins with one or two dots missing (not because of wear) and several with all three missing. Clearly, the dots get clogged easily. I'll post a picture of a very clean all three missing coin if needed for analyses.

[jfines69]

Curiosity got me to look through nearly a whole tube of VDB's and just from this limited exam. I found a number of coins with one or two dots missing (not because of wear) and several with all three missing. Clearly, the dots get clogged easily. I'll post a picture of a very clean all three missing coin if needed for analyses.

I thinking posting one would be a very good idea!!!

[Roller]

Here it is.

[MNcoinhunter]

[Roller]

Here it is.

LOL. I cannot believe how clearly the dot after V shows up in the reverse pic. It is not visible in hand except when a shadow is cast on the coin and even then very faintly. As you can see in the third picture, it does not appear. Anyway, I do have other less attractive ones that are missing all dots but I thought this one would not be compromised by wear.

[GrumpyEd]

From a quick glance of the obv, it pretty much looks like a normal 1909.

[jfines69]

LOL. I cannot believe how clearly the dot after V shows up in the reverse pic. It is not visible in hand except when a shadow is cast on the coin and even then very faintly. As you can see in the third picture, it does not appear. Anyway, I do have other less attractive ones that are missing all dots but I thought this one would not be compromised by wear.

Can barely see the dot in your close up... Only because I can compare it with your full rev image Nice looking coin!!!

[jfines69]

I will go with the pros and say it is a legitimate 1909... Nice... Thanks for the comparison image Roller... That helps a lot!!!

[Petespockets55]

Nice obverse image. Like that chocolate brown.

[MNcoinhunter]

Thanks again for the input guys ! Paid a few bucks for a conversation piece .. I’m happy.