Shield Doubled Die searching tips

[Dearing]

Are there different indicators that identify a doubled die on the newer shield cents that would help me? I noticed on the shield coins some of the letters are split when you view up close like the E, T, and S and it got a little confusing to me. I've looked at some pics on Wexlers and cant really see a difference right now. If anyone has any tips or pointers or anything that might help me identify a shield doubled die it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Derrel

[makecents]

Many of the shield DD's are subtle and harder to pick out. The biggest thing to look for is notching on some or all of the letters of LIBERTY. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=eds)

Sometimes there are thicknesses in the letters, either the vertical or the horizontal. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=eds)

You also have the distorted looking date that will give it away sometimes and a zero that looks like a football. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds)

The reverses are usually very obvious if found in "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds)

There are times on the reverse it's only the initials too, they will be chunky or distorted looking. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=eds)


It takes time to get a feel for them and even when you do, you will think you have one when you don't and can also overlook them because they are not as apparent.

[Petespockets55]

Usually with modern cents thickness to some of the devices, usually letters or numbers, can be distorted.
You will find the interior of 0's that look like footballs (right Jon?). Initials on the reverse might be distorted at a diagonal direction.

Wexler usually has a description of where the thickness is most prevalent.

Copper Coins has some modern DDO/DDR's and look at Variety Vista as well. More extreme examples make it easier to see areas to focus on and the way the doubling distorts a normal looking device.

[Dearing]

Usually with modern cents thickness to some of the devices, usually letters or numbers, can be distorted.
You will find the interior of 0's that look like footballs (right Jon?). Initials on the reverse might be distorted at a diagonal direction.

Wexler usually has a description of where the thickness is most prevalent.

Copper Coins has some modern DDO/DDR's and look at Variety Vista as well. More extreme examples make it easier to see areas to focus on and the way the doubling distorts a normal looking device.

Ok, Ill take a look at some of the newer ones on CC and VV, thank you for the info and tips

[VAB2013]

Good question! Personally I zip through Shield cents pretty fast. Concentrate on the 20 of the date and the TY of Liberty. Then the LB and JFM. There are some listed Shield cents that are really very nice DDO's and DDR's and you will catch those right away. For the ones that are kind of minor if you're not sure about them... what I would do is put them aside and look at the same dates together so you can compare them to the listings.

[Dearing]

Thank ya'll, already I feel more confident searching through 'em Very much appreciated

[Dearing]

Many of the shield DD's are subtle and harder to pick out. The biggest thing to look for is notching on some or all of the letters of LIBERTY. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=eds)

Sometimes there are thicknesses in the letters, either the vertical or the horizontal. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=eds)

You also have the distorted looking date that will give it away sometimes and a zero that looks like a football. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds)

The reverses are usually very obvious if found in "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds)

There are times on the reverse it's only the initials too, they will be chunky or distorted looking. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=eds)


It takes time to get a feel for them and even when you do, you will think you have one when you don't and can also overlook them because they are not as apparent.

These pics here are why I have been having trouble with the shields... Is this what MD looks like on the shields maybe or is this one doubled or am I just examining them too closely.

[Dearing]

...and this one too, I couldn't fit it on the other post... is that what a notch looks like on the E?

[VAB2013]

Unfortunately what I am seeing is a lot of glare from lighting. Have you tried to cover your LED's with something? If your scope's LED lights are in a circle, the paper cutout in the shape of a donut is a good thing to try. Also, some people suggested putting a small piece of electrical tape over every other light and scotch tape over the other lights. I tried that with my old scope and the lights started burning out, not sure if the tape had anything to do with that but since then I just use the paper donut thing.

Also... it would be best to start with Philly Shields because there are only two Denver Shield DDO's and one Denver DDR listed.

What I suggest is.. sort your Shields by date. Then look over the listings for the particular date you are searching and start comparing your coins to the listings and to each other. This will help you spot the ones that have extra thickness, distortion or notching. You are going to see a whole bunch that are going to look the same (normal) but the great thing about looking at the normal ones is... when a doubled die shows up you will be able to tell it's not normal looking!

[Dearing]

Unfortunately what I am seeing is a lot of glare from lighting. Have you tried to cover your LED's with something? If your scope's LED lights are in a circle, the paper cutout in the shape of a donut is a good thing to try. Also, some people suggested putting a small piece of electrical tape over every other light and scotch tape over the other lights. I tried that with my other scope and the lights started burning out, not sure if the tape had anything to do with that but since then I just use the paper donut thing.

Also... it would be best to start with Philly Shields because there are only two Denver Shield DDO's and one Denver DDR listed.

What I suggest is.. sort your Shields by date. Then look over the listings for the particular date you are searching and start comparing your coins to the listings and to each other. This will help you spot the ones that have extra thickness, distortion or notching. You are going to see a whole bunch that are going to look the same (normal) but the great thing about looking at the normal ones is... when a doubled die shows up you will be able to tell it's not normal looking!

So its my leds that are messing with me lol I just wont use them on the shields, maybe that will help me.... Thank you I have yet too see notching so im not comfortable with what it looks like yet... even after seeing pics lol

[VAB2013]

So its my leds that are messing with me lol I just wont use them on the shields, maybe that will help me.... Thank you I have yet too see notching so im not comfortable with what it looks like yet... even after seeing pics lol

If you can turn off your LED's or just use a loupe that would help! The notching on Shields sometimes looks like a notch and sometimes it looks more slanted at an angle. Once you find one then they are much easier to find after that!

[Dearing]

Unfortunately what I am seeing is a lot of glare from lighting. Have you tried to cover your LED's with something? If your scope's LED lights are in a circle, the paper cutout in the shape of a donut is a good thing to try. Also, some people suggested putting a small piece of electrical tape over every other light and scotch tape over the other lights. I tried that with my old scope and the lights started burning out, not sure if the tape had anything to do with that but since then I just use the paper donut thing.

Also... it would be best to start with Philly Shields because there are only two Denver Shield DDO's and one Denver DDR listed.

What I suggest is.. sort your Shields by date. Then look over the listings for the particular date you are searching and start comparing your coins to the listings and to each other. This will help you spot the ones that have extra thickness, distortion or notching. You are going to see a whole bunch that are going to look the same (normal) but the great thing about looking at the normal ones is... when a doubled die shows up you will be able to tell it's not normal looking!

Yup you were exactly right, I turned off my leds and used reg light and they went away... thank ya again that helps the confusion

[VAB2013]

That's good! You're welcome Dearing!

[jfines69]

Any light will mess with the sensor on digital cameras when reflecting back off of the shiney coins... Due to the rev design of the shield cents, more flat surface than other designs, more light is reflected back into the camera/scope lens... On memorials the columns, steps and roof make the light shoot off in different directions and on wheats it is the stalks and the letters with sharper angles that reflect the light in different directions... Have you tried the black electrical tape over the end piece??? You should be able to tape it in such a way as to allow a large enough hole for the lens to see thru but able to block the majority of the leds... Hope that helps a little!!!

[jfines69]

Your coin is interesting but I can not tell if it is all from light reflection??? A couple things to remember - If you see the doubling from a full coin perspective but it disappears when zoomed in most likely it is light reflection... If you notice doubling rotate the coin - if the doubling disappears or changes drastically as you rotate the coin it most likely is light reflection... If you are able to get pics with less reflection that would be a great help!!!