1992-D profile deterioration doubling?

[mindtab]

Probably a lot of deterioration on the date and profile. I was wondering when it is not deterioration doubling but actual doubling, if there is such a thing? Does anyone have examples to show?

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[makecents]

Good eye!! Definitely DDD. The two are totaly different types of doubling caused by different things. DDD is just from a tired die that's on it's last leg and show the anomaly you see on your coin. An actual doubled die is caused by a Hub malfunction. Let me get you some links.

DDD (http://www.error-ref.com/die-deterioration-doubling/)

Hub Doubling (http://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/) There are different types(classes) of Hub doubling too (true doubling). Check it out. I just recently dove into the different types, so I'm learning with you!

[mindtab]

Lord have mercy, am I in trouble. Hopefully, no coin dreaming tonight (because I have dreamt of them before, lol). From what I gather, the DDD is most like a shadow instead of the element doubling itself. I would guess that an actual profile doubling would be just as strong as the face itself instead of being ghosted. That's the best way I can think of it.
Thanks for the links, makecents. (well, as you are learning, you have years of knowledge on me, so don't mind me as I limp behind, lmao)

[makecents]

Lord have mercy, am I in trouble. Hopefully, no coin dreaming tonight (because I have dreamt of them before, lol). From what I gather, the DDD is most like a shadow instead of the element doubling itself. I would guess that an actual profile doubling would be just as strong as the face itself instead of being ghosted. That's the best way I can think of it.
Thanks for the links, makecents. (well, as you are learning, you have years of knowledge on me, so don't mind me as I limp behind, lmao)

You are a sharp individual and only minutes behind me. I have only one true gift that I have found up to this point in my life and it's reading people, I have to work hard for the rest.... You got this!! You just recently posted a true Doubled Die (Hub Doubling). It was class 9 Hub Doubling. LINK (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds)

[mindtab]

Well, thanks, makecents. Truly honored.
Ya know, I go to coppercoins, as well as Wexler's listings. However on coppercoins, not everything is listed when going to the Date Guide. Now, I see that things lurk behind 'the shadows'. Lol. 1999&die_id=1999p1dr017
Good to know. Thank you.

[makecents]

Well, thanks, makecents. Truly honored.
Ya know, I go to coppercoins, as well as Wexler's listings. However on coppercoins, not everything is listed when going to the Date Guide. Now, I see that things lurk behind 'the shadows'. Lol. 1999&die_id=1999p1dr017
Good to know. Thank you.

You have VV too. You have to use them all! Some listings overlap but not all.
LINK (http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20LC...k%20Styles.htm) Utilize all three!

Jim (JF as you call him), taught me this!

[mindtab]

Oh, so now I looked closer on the coppercoins html designation. For me to know now how many actual listings (or pages) are for that date/mintmark is to put this at the end of the ?date=1999&die_mint=p&die_type=dr&page=*
At the bottom, I noticed it will have the number of pages available 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 But since the php code variable is probably written to count the pages starting at 0 ( you can display anything, but the counter is = 0 )
Thus we have our last page as

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/dietype.php?date=1999&die_mint=p&die_type=dr&page=4

Excellent. From now on, will put the *
at the end, and I'll know how many pages to look up/ or available.

[mindtab]

makecents, I had varietyvista bookmarked. Jee, I completely forgot about that one.

Haha, I call Jim JF since when I first came onboard, and the introductions, and I responded to him as JF, so I'll just keep it like that, unless he wants me to change it. LOL

[makecents]

Oh, so now I looked closer on the coppercoins html designation. For me to know now how many actual listings (or pages) are for that date/mintmark is to put this at the end of the ?date=1999&die_mint=p&die_type=dr&page=*
At the bottom, I noticed it will have the number of pages available 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 But since the php code variable is probably written to count the pages starting at 0 ( you can display anything, but the counter is = 0 )
Thus we have our last page as

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/dietype.php?date=1999&die_mint=p&die_type=dr&page=4

Excellent. From now on, will put the *
at the end, and I'll know how many pages to look up/ or available.

When you pull up anything on coppercoins, look up in the right hand corner, you will see "coppercoins home", click on that, look to the far left at that point and you will see "die variety search" in blue, click on that and then fill in whatever you are looking for. Very cool search engine!!

[makecents]

makecents, I had varietyvista bookmarked. Jee, I completely forgot about that one.

Haha, I call Jim JF since when I first came onboard, and the introductions, and I responded to him as JF, so I'll just keep it like that, unless he wants me to change it. LOL

I doubt he minds at all, he's been called a lot!! Jim is one of the best on this site and will get you where you need to go, pay attention to Jim, I have!!

[mindtab]

Haha, I see now (said the blind woman)... Yep, nice search engine. Brings up everything. 'Mine' workaround above, would be time consuming. Laughing. Wake up (to myself).

I think Viv here on the forum told me about coppercoins and how to search, a while back. I was busy looking at coins, and didn't follow the directions.

Now that it's ingrained in, ....

[jfines69]

Cool looking coin... To me it looks to be a plating issue... I noticed the obv die was misaligned slightly to the N and the rev die to the SSE... The strike pressure may have also been slightly low as the obv rim did not fully form from about the 2:30 - 3:30 position and the 7:00 to 9:30 positions ... If the plating had opened up then it would have been split plate doubling - from our Glossary --

Split Plate Doubling (Split Line Doubling): This occurs only on copper-plated zinc cents struck from mid 1982 to the present. During the striking of plated cents, the plating is stretched in order to form the raised design elements. Whenever relief is created from a flat surface, there must be expansion of the overall surface area, thereby putting stress on the plating. Sometimes, the plating will split on the rim-side of the devices, exposing the zinc core. The exposure will be in the same shape as the design elements, thereby creating a “doubling” effect. The exposed zinc is blue-ish in color. In addition to the examples shown below, please also see Jason Cuvelier’s thread on the subject Here:

Some info from Error Ref http://www.error-ref.com/?s=split+plate+doubling The rev also has some plating issues but not as prevalent as the obv... The rev may have some splits along the east side of C12 and the tops of STTES??? Hope that helps a bit!!!

[mindtab]

Thanks so much for the thorough investigation, and info. I need a lot of "eye adjustments" to see mis-aligments; probably need to look at a lot of cents before I would spot that.
I can see the blisters on the tops of the 'States'.
I have no clue what the "east side of C12' is, but I imagine is the area above the C in Cent, straight up and to the right (?)

Error-ref is an extraordinary site, ...but oh, so much reading. And of course, it helps to find coins to Reference it to in real time. Than it sinks in better. The whole thing, to remember what read, and apply it to the coin you're looking it, which is kindda working in reverse.

[mindtab]

ha, JF, was reading on the error-ref link you sent, ...lo and behold there is a 1993-D pictured there that looks similar to my 92-D (in as not just the profile, but also the E Pluribus Unum).

How do you remember all this stuff? (I think I asked this before).

[jfines69]

Thanks so much for the thorough investigation, and info. I need a lot of "eye adjustments" to see mis-aligments; probably need to look at a lot of cents before I would spot that.
I can see the blisters on the tops of the 'States'.
I have no clue what the "east side of C12' is, but I imagine is the area above the C in Cent, straight up and to the right (?)

Error-ref is an extraordinary site, ...but oh, so much reading. And of course, it helps to find coins to Reference it to in real time. Than it sinks in better. The whole thing, to remember what read, and apply it to the coin you're looking it, which is kindda working in reverse.

On C12 - Remember in another post I referenced the Columns from west to east C1, C2, C3, --- C12... The bays I referenced the same from B1, B2, --- B11... Sorry about the confusion... Error Ref goes into much more depth... Mike Diamond the Senior Editor and Author is tops in the field of mint errors... He is also human - when he makes a mistake there is no hesitation on his part to correct it and let folks know!!!