1933d LWC with a very tall O & lite thickness on LUR

[Petespockets55]

When I first saw this reverse I thought class 6 DDR.
The top of the O of ONE is extremely distended upwards but is still well defined. There also appears to be some thickness on the PLUR.
It is a mid to late die state coin but I've never seen anything like this so I thought I'd ask for opinions and thoughts.

Is this a possible class 6 DDr in just this area up to LUR or just an example of localized severe die deterioration.
As always thanks for any comments. Cliff

[dinkyblue]

The 1933 D penny has a very low mintage, looks like a DDR to me, this one appears to be in excellent shape, As far as the O in ONE there looks to be a mark across the top, is it possible that it took a hit along with some die deterioration? if not it could be a new one. A very nice find Cliff.....................Dan

[mustbebob]

This coin is not a DDR. It appears to have centralized MD. I agree that the O of ONE was probably a hit at one time that has worn smooth. The possibility of a localized small area only having class 6 doubling is not possible. Depending on it's primary location Class 6 extra thickness can lessen as it goes around the coin.

[Petespockets55]

The 1933 D penny has a very low mintage, looks like a DDR to me, this one appears to be in excellent shape, As far as the O in ONE there looks to be a mark across the top, is it possible that it took a hit along with some die deterioration? if not it could be a new one. A very nice find Cliff.....................Dan

Thanks Dan for your insight. I did bid on it but after seeing Bob's insight glad this one got away!

This coin is not a DDR. It appears to have centralized MD. I agree that the O of ONE was probably a hit at one time that has worn smooth. The possibility of a localized small area only having class 6 doubling is not possible. Depending on it's primary location Class 6 extra thickness can lessen as it goes around the coin.

Bob, thanks For looking at this one and adding that info about class 6 not being localized. I do remember some of the DDR's being stronger on the left or right side sometimes.

[jfines69]

Nice looking coin... Looks like some orange peel going on between the 1 and jacket up to abes chin... Here is Error Refs info for orange peel and from our Glossary -

Orange Peel: A somewhat nebulous term to describe a coin whose surface has a textured bumpy surface like that of an orange. Coins can get this orange peel look from different causes including annealing and polishing issues of the die, or from die deterioration, or also from plating problems on plated coins.

[GrumpyEd]

Nice looking coin... Looks like some orange peel going on between the 1 and jacket up to abes chin... Here is Error Refs info for orange peel and from our Glossary -

Jim,

Interesting that you mentioned that. The first thought I had when I look at the coin pics was the orange peel near his chin and also an area of it west of the O on the reverse. I thought it might be evidence of a very well done whizzing but then some other areas look original. The other thing is the O looks like it might be flat from a hit but it looks smoothed over but the coin looks unc so maybe it does have wear (or smoothing from whizzing) but whizzing made it look unc and a little time and slight toning made it look original and hid it.

If it was whizzed, it was such a good job that I'm not sure it was. I'm 50/50 the coin is a great looking original coin or an old whizzing.

[jfines69]

Jim,

Interesting that you mentioned that. The first thought I had when I look at the coin pics was the orange peel near his chin and also an area of it west of the O on the reverse. I thought it might be evidence of a very well done whizzing but then some other areas look original. The other thing is the O looks like it might be flat from a hit but it looks smoothed over but the coin looks unc so maybe it does have wear (or smoothing from whizzing) but whizzing made it look unc and a little time and slight toning made it look original and hid it.

If it was whizzed, it was such a good job that I'm not sure it was. I'm 50/50 the coin is a great looking original coin or an old whizzing.

I do not think it was whizzed??? The best I could zoom in was 250% for taking a closer look... To me it looks like corrosion on the dies that was cleaned up and polished??? One thing on the O of ONE I noticed are 2 small indents... 1 on the west outer edge where it begins to thicken up and the other (also on the outer edge) at about a 25 degree angle to the ENE from the west indent... It looks like the mint reengraved the O to strengthen it but got outside the lines and elongated it instead... We do know that the mint did reengrave obv dies so doing the same for the rev dies could be possible!!!

[Petespockets55]

The relative sharpness to the top of the O (especially when compared to the weakness on the left inside caused by the die deterioration) is what made me consider the thickness was the result of a weak localized first hubbing that grew more obvious as the die deterioration increased. Some varieties with localized doubling do become more obvious as the die deterioration progresses.

I saw the curved line near the center of the top of the O and considered this might be part of the die deterioration, not from a hit. The darker shading and lighter area on the top of the thickened part of the O seem to indicate a curve to the surface of the O, so I don't think it is a hit that flattened and spread the metal.

Thanks everyone for the replies and comments. Helps me learn (if I can retain the knowledge!) and hopefully reminds me to look for more on a coins surface. Additional comments, suggestions and input are always appreciated.
BTW- I noticed the pitting but hadn't even considered whizzing, which seems to baffle me. I'll have to be on guard for that.

The question in my mind was whether class 6 can be localized only or if it always shows up in multiple locations which Bob answered by saying it is never localized to one area only.

EDIT:Maybe my real question should have been about class 4 (offset hub doubling) and whether this coin could have been an example of localized class 4 doubling (like doubled eyelids) that was affected by die deterioration. But Bob answered very definitively by saying this isn't any type of DDR.

Thanks again to all, Cliff