1986 penny

[Kaoscoin]

I don't know if I should get it graded. I would like to get more information about my penny

[mustbebob]

Save your money. This is damage.

[VAB2013]

Thank you Bob! Yeah... somebody had too much time on their hands and some garage tools. We've all been fooled by these garage jobs at least once during our Lincoln cent hunting.

[willbrooks]

Welcome to the forum. I concur that your coin got smashed. It is not an error.

[Petespockets55]

I agree as well. (It would have caught my attention at first.)
One reason it is PMD and not a lam or "struck through something", is that a depression is on both sides of the coin.

[jfines69]

Welcome to the LCF... Since it is PSD (Post Strike Damage) I do not think the TPGs (Third Party Graders) would even do an attribution on it??? Your coin is also out of round from the damage!!!

[Kaoscoin]

The out of round part the side of it also has die marks. Have you ever seen have you ever seen PSD on the side the rim

[VAB2013]

The out of round part the side of it also has die marks. Have you ever seen have you ever seen PSD on the side the rim

Yes, the rim is usually affected by the vice grips or whatever tool the person uses to damage the coin and like your coin there is damage on the reverse that corresponds to the same area from the impact of the hit or squeeze.

Here's a link to our Glossary, scroll down to "Garage Job" http://www.lincolncentforum.com/terminology-list-g/

and here's a link to error.ref's page about "Non-Errors - Squeeze Job" http://www.error-ref.com/squeeze-job...or-garage-job/

[GrumpyEd]

The out of round part the side of it also has die marks. Have you ever seen have you ever seen PSD on the side the rim

That tells you that it was not still in the die when it got mangled (so it was post strike) because the collar would have kept it from bulging out and you can tell by the rims that it was in the collar when struck.

[Kaoscoin]

So 1986 numbers has an dd and that was part of the multiplying by the die mint process

[VAB2013]

So 1986 numbers has an dd and that was part of the multiplying by the die mint process

The 1986 on your cent is not a DD (doubled die) and there is no such thing as "multiplying by the die mint process" if those are words you are using to describe a doubled die. Better photos would help but what it looks like to the right of the 8 and below the D mint mark is "split plate doubling" - that is not a doubled die.

Here is a link to "split plate doubling" in our Glossary http://www.lincolncentforum.com/terminology-list-s/

and another link, scroll down a bit and you'll see split plate doubling on the inside and below a D mint mark.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/?s=split+plate

[Kaoscoin]

What if a retracting arm was caught in the middle r v i process after stamped the arm retract and pulled the coin with it the part stuck pressed together witch will be the edge rim loose causing the irregular roundness of the coin

[VAB2013]

What if a retracting arm was caught in the middle r v i process after stamped the arm retract and pulled the coin with it the part stuck pressed together witch will be the edge rim loose causing the irregular roundness of the coin

Sorry but I am not understanding what you are describing. The pros here have already given you the correct answer.

[GrumpyEd]

What if a retracting arm was caught in the middle r v i process after stamped the arm retract and pulled the coin with it the part stuck pressed together witch will be the edge rim loose causing the irregular roundness of the coin

The dies are like molds, the planchet goes in between fed in by a feeder finger, strikes them then it ejects. No arm used.

Doubled dies have nothing to do with when the coins are struck, the striking is normal for them. They are doubled dies because the die (the mold) was made doubled. So, doubled dies are duplicates, all coins from that die are duplicates with doubling. We say "a doubled die coin" but we really mean "a coin made from a doubled die".

Any time you see a one of a kind thing it's probably damage or something about the strike. Any time you see both sides messed up it's almost always damaged, damaged at the mint or outside the mint is still only damage, no value.


Poor quality (some people call errors because it's not perfect) in most cases add no value.
Big errors like the coin struck on a wrong planchet (like a nickel on a copper planchet) or massively off center, big errors can have value.
People talk about damage PSD after strike, it's often explaining like your coin that it got mangled after it was out of the dies/collar. In reality it would not matter much if a planchet was damaged before strike, it might be neater and could be called a mint error but still it probably would have no value. In fact it would probably rule out that the coin could be a top grade, they want perfect and no damage of any sort.

Varieties like doubled dies or RPMs have some value because they are duplicates so people can collect them by looking up what exists, the bigger and rarer the more value.

[jfines69]

Wexler has some really good info on his site that explains how dies are made... If you read thru that you will begin to understand how your coin is PSD... Hope that helps a bit!!!