199(3) filled die? faded obv devices

[mindtab]

I think this may be a 1993. The obverse devices seem to be faded, or abraded throughout IGWT, date last digit, part of Liberty missing, hair matted down.
Reverse shows some sort of line going from the 'O'ne to the 'T'rust, NW.

Is this a filled die with a combination of some sort of abrasion?

Thank you. (ps--the coin is shinier than in the pictures; here it looks sort of flat)

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[GrumpyEd]

I think you have it right, a filled die "greaser".
The grease isn't like clean thin grease, it's like a thick grease full of a lot of metal particles that clogged the obv die.

Could be a 93, it's a close AM so it fits. (after 92)

[VAB2013]

Yep, struck through grease. I guess you can barely see the 3 at the end, I couldn't see it. It's not a WAM so even if the last digit is a 9 it wouldn't matter. Cool find - I like greasers and posted one the other day!

[jfines69]

Glad to see you on... Nice find... Good call on the strike thru... On the lines you do have some abrasions but not many... The other lines are what we have been calling "Will Lines" (He has been doing a study about these lines and wether they are on the zinc core, caused by the rollers used to flatten the core stock, or on the dies... I do not know what his findings are at this time... If you look notice how the lines one the obv run NW-SE and when we look at the rev, in a negative, the lines are the same direction... Can you tell if the 2nd T of TRUST shows any sign of the top bar??? Your pics are excellent and I see no signs at all of that bar??? On the close up it looks as if it was never there???

[mindtab]

Hey there Jim. Thank you so much for responding.
I like this --> "...notice how the lines one the obv run NW-SE and when we look at the rev, in a negative, the lines are the same direction..."; so, if thinking that these lines are on the die, then they would be running in the same direction on the reverse??

I took some more pics. I can't see a line for the second T in Trust. Hard to tell, especially with all the other lines already running on the coin.

Thank you for your help and observations.

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[GrumpyEd]

if thinking that these lines are on the die, then they would be running in the same direction on the reverse??

If on the dies there is no reason for them to be the same direction because they are made and polished as separately.
If on the planchets like the lines from being rolled then they would go in the same direction on both sides because the strip of metal is made and rolled as a strip, both sides are worked in the same direction, lines probably go the long way on the strips from rolling it out.

Die wear lines mostly would go from center to rim (radial) on both sides of the die.
Polishing is random, however the person polished it.

[mindtab]

Thank you, GrumpyEd. Wonderful insight and happy you put it down here on the post.

[jfines69]

These lines show up on the plated frankenzincs a lot... Will has done a study about these and I believe he has determined they were caused by the zinc being rolled to the proper thickness??? Either the rollers were worn or dirty but I do not know his findings... The lines are on the zinc core and show up thru the plating???