1959 penny PMD or something else?

[mindtab]

I am wondering what is on this 1959 penny. Post damage or something else?

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Thank you.

[Maineman750]

Damaged after it left the mint

[makecents]

Excellent pics!

[GrumpyEd]

This one is easy!

It's the reverse of an S mint Washington quarter mashed into it.

You can clearly see the rim, then the mirrored ER and DO of QUARTER DOLLAR and the S right where it should be above the vertical of the R of DOLLAR.

[jfines69]

This one is easy!

It's the reverse of an S mint Washington quarter mashed into it.

You can clearly see the rim, then the mirrored ER and DO of QUARTER DOLLAR and the S right where it should be above the vertical of the R of DOLLAR.

Isn't that the R of quarter???

[jfines69]

Good call on the post damage... Ed nailed the 25c and the rev looks like another one cent... Looks like some one was honing their skills on Garage Jobs

[GrumpyEd]

Isn't that the R of quarter???

Yes, that's what I meant

[jfines69]

Yes, that's what I meant

Good... Thought i forgot how to spell doller

[mindtab]

Although Maineman called it PMD, I would have to give the best answer to GrumpyEd, since it was more specific. I also thought it was some kind of coin, didn't know which or what. Haha, Jim, on the Garage Jobs. Thank you all for looking. Will keep it; it's an interesting post damage.

[GrumpyEd]

I think we use the term "garage job" too much.
Like this coin, it was mashed with a quarter, probably a long time ago (since it was an S mint quarter and toning).
If someone was messing with us and made it on purpose their quarter probably wouldn't be an S. When it was done (based on toning, the date, S quarter) people were not as error crazy and ebay didn't exist to sell them on. Plus it was tossed into circulation not passed off as an error.

Lots of stuff can happen where coins are mashed in a stack, someone used it as a spacer maybe to press something with a press or vise, a coin spill in the street then run over, someone put a cent in a vending machine then it got jammed with a quarter,
They went through a coin counter and somehow jammed as they went through. So I'm saying lots of un-intentional damage can do it.

I think of a "garage job" as something slightly different. Like when you see a coin made by a "soft die" being passed off as an error, you see the alignment is simulating a real variety like liberty above liberty. Soft dies are most likely intentional since it means they first mash a coin into a sheet then mash the sheet over a coin so the result isn't mirrored. It's really unlikely to be random. That is a garage job. Other garage jobs might be where they crush one into another and make it look like a second off center strike. A coin with a section ground off to look like a clip and being offered as a clip. Stuff that simulates a real error and maybe the context like it is being sold as an error.

We shouldn't assume every mashed or damaged coin is an intentional trick made in a garage to fool us then randomly put back in circulation. There aren't that many pranksters out there as we see that many damaged coins but there are billions of coins and random events that can do it.

On top of that, even a coin that looks like a soft die fake error can be random/un-intentional. Someone needs a spacer for putting a thing in a vice and sometimes they use a strip of soft metal in a vice (you ever look in a machine shop most have it) then they close the vice, (makes soft die out of the strip) next time they close it the coin rotated so it makes a non mirrored imprint. So, I really don't say "garage job" or "vice job" unless it looks intentional. Perfect example where I'd be sure, if it's on a 55-P cent and similar to the DDO, then you can bet it was made to mislead people on purpose.

Check out this thread with some examples of soft die stuff, it makes a non mirrored image:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/978576/good-educational-coin-fake-error

Last point, on top of this kind of error not being like a real mint made variety/error, you can rule out that it was made in the mint because the cent is a P and quarter was an S. There almost certainly wouldn't be an S mint quarter at the P mint making the cent.

[mindtab]

Thank you, GrumpyEd for the thorough explanation. Yah, sometimes we have to wonder how a coin 'errors' or otherwise, come to be. I like the thread discussion link you posted. Also, looking closer, almost seems like a 1959-D? I'd have to look closer when I get home; myabe my eyes playing tricks on me. How would I be able to tell the quarter was an S mint?

[GrumpyEd]

How would I be able to tell the quarter was an S mint?

Look sort of right above Abes ear, the S from the quarter got imprinted there

[Maineman750]

Although Maineman called it PMD, I would have to give the best answer to GrumpyEd, since it was more specific. I also thought it was some kind of coin, didn't know which or what. Haha, Jim, on the Garage Jobs. Thank you all for looking. Will keep it; it's an interesting post damage.

Not a problem...I tend to be blunt sometimes and also think we spend more time speculating about the cause of PMD than we do actual errors and varieties. I like Ed's answer too. But on an interesting note, you have reminded me that the poster of a question is not the best qualified to mark "Best Answer", otherwise they wouldn't be asking the question....lol I'll put that down on our "to do" list

[mindtab]

Maineman, haha, that is an interesting point about the poster of the question marking the best answer; but maybe it's like a 'Oh, I see...!' moment.

[Maineman750]

Maineman, haha, that is an interesting point about the poster of the question marking the best answer; but maybe it's like a 'Oh, I see...!' moment.

I once had a guy post his own answer, then pick it as best because he didn't want to hear the truth.....lol....but we do have the ability to change that answer so I suppose that is good enough