Circulation Wear VS Die Wear

[TPring]

How does one make the distinction between die and circulation wear?

For instance, on the coin pictured, my first thought was circulation wear but as I looked at it, I am thinking that this coin could possibly be considered as good as, say, extremely fine with extreme die wear [if it were to be graded] -- Or is that not how it works?

What say you?

[makecents]

The pic is a little out of focus and skewed looking but there is definitely extreme die wear. You can see the heavy flow lines and the obverse showing through. PIDT LINK http://www.lincolncentforum.com/term...ign%20Transfer

As for the grade, I'll let others more knowledgeable speak to that.

[TPring]

Thanks for checking it out.

The pic is just off ebay to represent a well-worn die [not my coin]. My main question had to do with how to tell the difference from a coin struck from a worn-out die versus a coin worn from circulation. Is it luster and wear on the higher points regardless of die stage?

For instance: When this coin was struck, it looked old from the start [because of die wear] so if it was immediately sent in for grading would it be graded on a curve [because of an old die] or graded straight-out as if it was from a fresh die?

[makecents]

From what I have been taught, the die stage has nothing to do with grade.

[makecents]

I was going through Bob's (WaterSport) set found a very nice MS62 BRN where the die is obviously worn plum out. LINK https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/myc.../1438382/48030

[makecents]

Another nice example from his set. By the way Bob, your set is fantastic!

LINK https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/myc...d/210897/48030

[Petespockets55]

Great question.
Another way to help determine die wear is the way the devices will extend toward the rim. Almost like they are "melting" or look elongated on the side toward the rim.

(Some years are much more prevalent for die wear. 1918-1919 and 1924-1926 for example)

[willbrooks]

This coin has BOTH extreme die wear AND extreme circulation wear.

[WaterSport]

The red subtle luster is a give away that the 1922 Weak D is a worn die. Often it's not present when you're trying to figure worn die vs wear. The coin shown is as Will said both worn and die wear. I hate to say it but you have to know that certain dates in certain years like the 1920's have a lot of worn dies. If you study these, it helps on determining worn die vs wear on other dates.

Bob