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  • lara4228
    Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 2116

    #1

    [Tip] Red Brown Copper

    My oh my, here is real doozie of a newbie questions....besides the obvious, what is the difference between, a copper cent, a red cent, and a red/brown cent?

    I know, I know it sounds incredible somebody is asking this, but they all look kind of, er, shiny and coppery, or dull and brown. With the occasional toned, (this one I know cause I have one lol)

    Seriously, why the difference in colour makes the difference in value/collectiveness?

    Pics requested for examples...c'mon y'all, show me whatchya got ;)
    What ever you do...do it with passion
  • DoubleYou
    Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 3629

    #2
    A red cent is a coin that is as shiny orange copper color as the day it was minted. A brown cent is one that has lost its orange copper color and is brown in color. A red brown cent is between the two, with some brown and some red.

    This is red:


    This one would be best described as brown, as it is less than 5% red:


    Unfortunately my photo collection currently lacks a red-brown coin so I'll refer you to this coin at this link: http://www.coinfacts.com/small_cents.../1872_cent.htm
    Wendell Carper
    It's a bird! It's a plane! Aw nuts... It's merely two die scratches!

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    • lara4228
      Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 2116

      #3
      awesome pics and awesome description.

      Thank you. Everything answered all in one reply! Bonus!
      What ever you do...do it with passion

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      • JeanK
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 5696

        #4
        Just wanted to add my two cents

        Hi Lara,
        I believe the terms 'red', 'red-brown' and 'brown' are very subjective. I know the grading companies and us serious collectors have our own ideas about the differences.
        Putting all that aside I thought I would photograph a few pages in my Dansco album to show some nice uncirculated coins with differing colors and post them here for you and others to see.
        Of course, the 1943's are not red or brown...
        Jean

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        • DoubleYou
          Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 3629

          #5
          Nice collection, Jean.
          Wendell Carper
          It's a bird! It's a plane! Aw nuts... It's merely two die scratches!

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          • JeanK
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 5696

            #6
            Thank you Wendell.
            The book is actually complete through present day, including the key dates. I am trying to accumulate a collection of MS66RD slabbed coins to compliment the collection as I am able to find and afford to purchase. And, I am adding the nicest of my variety discovery coins as a bonuses to the album.
            It has been very rewarding to bring the collection this far, from a few coins about four years ago, to this stage.
            Jean

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            • jcuve
              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
              • Apr 2008
              • 15458

              #7
              Maybe Brad's grading guide, which I took the pictures for, would help?



              If you read more about it, the whole red issue is subjective, but there are those who try to specifically quantify the percentage of red or brown present to determine the whole RD, RB or BR designation. Personally, I do not like the designations and agree with some other LCR members that color should be abandoned, as grades should be about strike and original surface (amount and degree of contact marks, fingerprints etc.). Some browns specifically, look amazing and are underrated. There is also a worry, probably provible, that all copper coins will eventually tone a brown anyway given enough time...



              Jason Cuvelier


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              • kloccwork419
                Banned
                • Sep 2008
                • 6800

                #8
                Thats a nice lookin 37 you have in there Jean!!!

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                • JeanK
                  Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 5696

                  #9
                  Yep Jason, I know you like those toners. Thank you!
                  Jean

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                  • adam1
                    Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 57

                    #10
                    Would this be RB??

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                    • coinman2009
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1569

                      #11
                      That looks a bit more brown than red, but I Love that woodgrain look! Nice Coin!

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                      • adam1
                        Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 57

                        #12
                        Thanks it looks better in hand (not good at taking pics. yet) the back side is more red then brown but has a finger print on it

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