I believe I have Discovery Die#6 1988P 006

[coin-crazy]

This die I was unable to match it with any that I have seen and I believe pretty much one picture will convince you all..With the die scratch that runs NE from the E in liberty being as strong as it is would have been noted as a major marker.The lincoln junkies are going to love this one!!Well remember to leave your comments and thanks for viewing!!!

[jfines69]

That is unmistakeable.... Great find... It would be awesome to be a new die!!!

[Wayne]

nice

looks like it could be a different die.

lets see full front/reverse pictures.

[RWBILLER]

i thought there was a die 6?
roger

oh nice one.

[coin-crazy]

i thought there was a die 6?
roger

oh nice one.

Roger havent read the post you just was at ,were the guy just completed his collection of all 5 1988P dies?

[coin-crazy]

Well here it go..I was a lilttle tired early this morning when posting this thread.But I have looked into the matter a little deeper.The reverse has matching markers that its die #4 used but the obverse has to be a different die..Here the markers for the reverse.

[RWBILLER]

i know - i know - i checked there are five of them listed by wexler - i was confusing it with the 88-d!
i stand corrected.
roger

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As for my arguement that this is a different die,I've taken photos of the areas that Wexler points out as die markers just to show my obverse has different markers or none at all..

[DoubleYou]

This is Wexler's reverse die#4 for the 1988 RDV-006 transitional varieties. As to whether the obverse die is different, note that the die deterioration around the L of LIBERTY to the rim looks similar, but a little more severe on your coin. I would believe that they are the same obverse die, just the die scratches might be obscurred.

Wendell

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I'd have to disagree with you(2die scratches A.K.A Wendell) Lol..If all your basing it on is die deterioration on the (L) which can be on any die and your over looking the areas of where the marker are suppose to be then your judgement is way off..If the markers dont fit ,then you must acquit!!!

[DoubleYou]

I'm simply making the follow observations:

1. Absence of die markers doesn't necessitate that it came from a different die. It may be that through natural processes the markers disappeared.

2. The coin above has aged as is evidenced by the hump near the rim and other evidences of natural aging of the die. Natural processes while a die ages many times erase markers.

As for making a meticulous attribution of the obverse die by observing photos, it is about as easy as grading a coin over the phone. If indeed the obverse die had changed, that doesn't make it eligible for a new reverse die number, although a switched obverse die would be notable as a new stage listing.

When I observe something like this, I normally go with Occam's Razor until enough evidence shows otherwise. Since it is more likely that the obverse die wasn't changed, and since the obverse die looks simlar in many aspects (die flow lines going in same direction in front of the bow tie to date area and progressive die deterioration evidence at the rim), I conclude until further evidence shows otherwise that it is the same obverse die. But then, truly it is impossible to make a rock solid determination without seeing the actual coin in hand.

I appreciate your willingness to try to put things together so you can understand them, and I hope I have explained my views in a manner that you can find profitable.

Wendell

[RWBILLER]

i wonder i Occam's Razor will work on that one spot under my chin!!!
roger

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Wendall this is some of the best work yet I have seen from you since I've been on LCR..I cant say it any better..And yes what you are saying is true but a in hand view will cease all douts.Thanks Wendell !!!

[mustbebob]

One other thing to note about changing dies. When a die is replaced, it is seldom (if ever) changed with a die that has as much deterioration as this one does. Usually, a new die is used...not one that may have already struck a few hundred thousand coins.

[coin-crazy]

Well Bob I just took a look at another 88P to match it up and its another one from die #4 with all the die markers.I just dont see it on this coin thou.Until someone have a closer look and say other wise.I still believe its a different obverse die!!