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  • Wayne
    Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 1068

    #1

    die adjustment strike ?



  • hasfam
    Paid Member

    • May 2009
    • 6291

    #2
    I'm thinking grease filled die instead. A lot of grease.
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    • coin-crazy
      Banned
      • Nov 2010
      • 1181

      #3
      Originally posted by hasfam
      I'm thinking grease filled die instead. A lot of grease.
      I'd agree with you on this one!!!

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      • simonm
        Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 6398

        #4
        A burger from McDonalds would probably have less grease than that penny...
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        • liveandievarieties
          TPG & Market Expert
          • Feb 2011
          • 6049

          #5
          Hey Simon-

          Die Adjustment strikes are tougher to tell on cents and nickels. On a coin with a reeded edge- your tell will be a smooth edge or VERY weak reeding.

          While your coin shares many of the traits of a die adjustment strike. I believe the flow lines are in fact grease. A perfect example of a die adjustment strike will show only a light silhouette. I hope that is helpful. Best wishes my friend -CW
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          • simonm
            Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 6398

            #6
            Originally posted by liveandievarieties
            Hey Simon-

            Die Adjustment strikes are tougher to tell on cents and nickels. On a coin with a reeded edge- your tell will be a smooth edge or VERY weak reeding.

            While your coin shares many of the traits of a die adjustment strike. I believe the flow lines are in fact grease. A perfect example of a die adjustment strike will show only a light silhouette. I hope that is helpful. Best wishes my friend -CW


            Hey Chris:
            the coin isn't mine...maybe you misread something? I was just commenting on it.
            My old coin album.

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            • BadThad
              Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 3010

              #7
              Struck though grease, nice find!
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              • jcuve
                Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                • Apr 2008
                • 15458

                #8
                A weak strike on a Lincoln will have weak rims, as noted a higher denomination is easier because of the reeding. It would
                Also have to be normal weight. What you have is (as noted) a greaser - nice find!



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                • coinman2009
                  Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 1569

                  #9
                  A greaser with a couple nice die crack's on the rev.! Cool!

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                  • mikediamond
                    Paid Member, Error Expert

                    • Jan 2008
                    • 1104

                    #10
                    It's a greaser. And there's really no justification for calling any weak strike a "die adjustment strike". This implies a specificity of knowledge concerning the cause of the weakness that is unobtainable. I will once again demolish the concept of the "die adjustment strike" in a forthcoming Collector's Clearinghouse column.

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                    • liveandievarieties
                      TPG & Market Expert
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 6049

                      #11
                      Mike? Maybe I missed something in this thread, but I didn't see anyone suggesting the relation of a weak strike and an adjustment strike. You're entirely right of course, weak strike and die adjustment strikes are 2 completely different animals. But from the novice's perspective, they appear very similar, as can the appearance of a coin struck through heavy grease. None are related, but all can share a similar appearance, I think it's important for anyone without that knowledge, to be able to understand it. Any interest in elaborating on the differences of the 3 like-appearing types? You've got a wealth of understanding that makes most envious.
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                      • jcuve
                        Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 15458

                        #12
                        Chris, I brought that up (somewhere above in the thread), Weak Strikes = Die Adjustment Strikes (DAS). I have come to understand that a DAS or a Die Trial comes from a low pressure strike and as per Margolis and Weinberg, TECE 4th edition, pg 279, there are "Many reasons" a low pressure strike can happen and they would not give evidence as to how any of them came about, thus Mike's statement, "...No justification for calling any weak strike a 'die adjustment strike."

                        If there is specific way of identifying one Weak Strike from another, I would be all ears.



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                        • liveandievarieties
                          TPG & Market Expert
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 6049

                          #13
                          I completely agree- It may have been Mike himself who I learned that from a while back. There's no broad line between an intentional "test strike" so to speak and a mechanical maladjustment. That very subject made me think for a long time. I did miss the reference, though I read the whole post. Mike is right-er about errors than anyone I'm familiar with, for good reason of course.
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