1988 P/D RDV-006 Pricing?

[liveandievarieties]

Does anyone think it's possible that the RDV-006s were created in the last hours of the very last day of the production year and reverse dies kept on when the obverses were switched to 1989? This might account for the relatively high amount of dies, yet exceedingly low populations. Just a thought-

[Maineman750]

That's a good thought Chris...common sense at it's best !

[liveandievarieties]

All I gots is common cents... That's why I'm a broke coin dealer!

[lara4228]

Too much time on your hands

[RWBILLER]

Chris
I heard that scenario of the last day - I ask then, why mid stage die examples exist?
Roger

[1sgret]

Does anyone think it's possible that the RDV-006s were created in the last hours of the very last day of the production year and reverse dies kept on when the obverses were switched to 1989? This might account for the relatively high amount of dies, yet exceedingly low populations. Just a thought-

Possible scenario, however with the atrocious plating problems how long did the coins in circulation last is another factor in my mind.

[DoubleYou]

Does anyone think it's possible that the RDV-006s were created in the last hours of the very last day of the production year and reverse dies kept on when the obverses were switched to 1989? This might account for the relatively high amount of dies, yet exceedingly low populations. Just a thought-

I think you got it backwards Chris. This is a 1988 variety with a 1989 reverse. The scenario you suggest would produce a 1989 variety with a 1988 reverse (the obverse die changed from 88 to 89 and the old reverse die from 88 left in). It is possible that there exists such a beast, but we have never found one.

[lara4228]

Do we know how early ahead of time the dies are physically created and deemed 'ready for production'?

[liveandievarieties]

I think you got it backwards Chris. This is a 1988 variety with a 1989 reverse. The scenario you suggest would produce a 1989 variety with a 1988 reverse (the obverse die changed from 88 to 89 and the old reverse die from 88 left in). It is possible that there exists such a beast, but we have never found one.

Thank you Wendell! Sometimes thinking internally and speaking it out loud leads to two different paths. I learn so much from this forum, especially some of the things you point out.

What scenario do you suggest created this variety? Do you think the mints ran out of functioning reverse dies in the last days and jumped the gun without considering the design change?

[DoubleYou]

I think very simply the reverse dies for 1989 had already been made, and someone grabbed the wrong ones.

[Maineman750]

Or somebody forgot to change obverse dies when they switched to 1989 production.

[cimperialis]

Here's what happened (my two cent-piece):
The mint crew created what would be the new reverse for 1989 and the following years. They had already started producing the new dies in 1988 and decided that some needed to be test for what reasons. They ran several tests with multiple dies and stopped the tests early.

[RWBILLER]

It's amazing on how many times this gets discussed. Chris should talk with his friend Ken Potter on what he thinks. I think Ken was one of the sponsors early on. Wexler was another one. But Joe and Wayne are two of the major collectors on the "rdv006." so they probably know!
Roger

[thecentcollector]

Thank yuo everyone for the answers...

@Chris: Prove your theory easily. Get a Philly RDV, and go find an '89 with a matching reverse die. Then you could have a mated pair, and it would prove your theory ;)

There's a trail die that shares years too (don't know the # off the top of my head)... it's a reverse on 94/95 Same reverse die, two different years. I found the 95 in circulation, got the 94 from a collector. Now reside happily together as a pair ;)

[DoubleYou]

Actually, one of the reasons why the 1999 WAMs are so rare is because the WAM dies that struck them were leftovers from 1998. There was a study a while back tracing the 1999 WAM dies back to some of the 1998 WAM dies. It is actually a frequent occurrence.