Thin retained CUD?

[atarian]

I got a bunch of these. I have them in my to be processed CUD pile. But wanted to double check with you guys. The crack runs from the rim under bust to the rim again. BUT its not like the 1940S retained cuds that were posted not too long ago BUT I just wanted an opinion before i process them

[atarian]

POLL CHOICES

CUD or NO CUD

[georoxx]

I think at some point, a die crack may eventually result in a CUD. (or a retained CUD) I also think that point has not yet occurred on this one.

Die crack.

-George

[coppercoins]

Well, not an opinion - just a fact.

It's not a retained CUD until the piece moves and shows it is detached from the main body of the die. Otherwise it is a simple die crack and is more or less just a non-collectible part of the minting process...like yours.

[DoubleYou]

Since the die crack isn't a bi-level die crack, it is just a die crack and not a retained cud.

[lara4228]

Well, I guess Chuck summed it up pretty good! lol

It's a die crack.

But Chuck, what do you mean by "non-collecting part of the minting process...like yours"? I'm unsure what your trying to say with that statement? Don't mean to be so dense

[DoubleYou]

He means it isn't one that generally commands a premium, like cuds and retained cuds. It, however, is a very nice rim-to-rim die crack, albeit the rims it touches are really close together. It all depends on what you decide you like enough to collect. Even though most minor doubled columns won't really have any premium, I collect them all anyway, simply for my enjoyment.

[lara4228]

I wasn't sure if that was what he meant or not. I wish everything didn't have to have a price on it to deemed 'collectible' by most.

In my eyes, I keep and collect (not just coins) what tickles my fancy and suits my personality. They are an extension of me and how I operate. It allows those after me to better understand me.

[cimperialis]

Wendell, out of curiosity, are you calling "minor" doubled columns anything on the 2000's cents? As opposed to the 94 doubled columns and relatives.

[DoubleYou]

Wendell, out of curiosity, are you calling "minor" doubled columns anything on the 2000's cents? As opposed to the 94 doubled columns and relatives.

I'm talking about the extremely minor "twigs" beside the statue, especially ones that are too small for coppercoins to list, many of which indeed are dated 2000. The other doubled columns, like the 1994 ones, are major in my opinion. I still haven't found one!

[atarian]

Thanks for the info that's what I thought I didn't want to include them cause my gut said die crack. This will be an interesting tid bit in the intro to the cud chapter. So much good info on this site. An nothing wrong with a book covering things that are major enough for te big publications and collections. The little guy needs a voice too. ;).

[jfines69]

I always thought that if the crack runs from rim to rim then it was a retained cud... After all the next step after a few coins may very well be a full fledged cud!!!

[mustbebob]

Not all cracks lead to cuds...even rim to rim cracks. If the die was changed out before the die actually broke, then no cud would exist...just a lonely little die crack.

[coppercoins]

What I generally mean by 'non-collectible' are things that if a person looks through a couple of handfuls of change they are likely to find one. Things that a very, very small percentage of collectors would have interest in. Things that no dealer would pay any premium to receive. Basically hole-filling coins that have no merit as being anything odd, unusual, or scarce to any stretch of the imagination. I skip by hundreds of die cracks, chips, minor die clashes, machine doubled coins, and overpolished die strikes with missing initials, throat lines, and other details every single time I go through a couple thousand coins. And if you go through that many coins, you will quickly figure out that a large number of these coins are out there, and nobody who really understands the minting process and what makes a true die variety or error would want any of them.

I don't mean any disrespect at all to those who choose to collect these little tidbits of evidence that dies indeed do wear with use. That's not at all what I'm saying here. I simply choose to collect coins that take a little more effort to locate. The coins that have published value, are respected as having some premium value by more than one percent of the collecting public. The coins that take going through thousands of coins to find, and when you FINALLY find one of them there is a REAL sense of accomplishment.

I have been looking SINCE 1983 for a 1983 doubled die reverse...Still haven't found one.
I have been looking SINCE 1984 for a 1984 doubled ear...Still haven't found one.

This isn't going to make me stop, or give up. This just pushes me harder to keep looking. It's the thrill of the hunt! I could sit here with the same $20 in coins for the rest of my life trying to make every little flyspeck into something it's not, looking through them a second time - a third time, and a fourth time JUST in case I might have missed something - but I choose to move on, and eventually I will find all the different major doubled dies that I have sought most of my adult life. I just have a hard time understanding why keep common, run of the mill, every day stuff and call it collectible just because the patience to wait for the good stuff simply isn't there. Have patience, have hope. If so much time wasn't wasted with a 200X electron microscope over analyzing every little speck on every damaged coin there would be a lot more nice die varieties and errors going into the hands of the many deserving collectors who really WANT to be a part of the hunt - a part of the minority numismatic community who sees these cherished little gems as something very different and is proud to procure them from change and bank rolls so generations into the future can gaze upon them and see that the Mint did indeed really mess up another one, and that no matter how much we try - nobody's perfect....not even the United States Mint.

[BadThad]

While die cracks are not generally collectible, they can be valuable. I save "pre-cud" cracks in case I get lucky and find the mate someday. Proof in point, I found these in the same OBW roll, it's a cool progression set: