1970S Reverse stuck through grease?

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  • bella
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 883

    #1

    1970S Reverse stuck through grease?

    Is this a minor struck through grease Error . Searched the the site it's similar. But just in the one spot. Alot of the others posted were major all over the coin. Is it something to hold onto or to minor.
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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #2
    It does appear to be a struck through grease. Nice find!



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    • Chugly
      Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 2358

      #3
      Yes, that is definitely a struck through. Definitely a keeper and in great condition to boot! Nice find!

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      • BadThad
        Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 3011

        #4
        Struck thru.....NICE!
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        • cents1st

          #5
          Planchet error. Grease is much softer than the planchet and the dies. "Grease" has no effect on strike. "Grease" is not used on dies on the press-floor, not when I was there. Slap a spoon-full of crisco in a section of icecube tray, put a cent on top, hit it with a hammer, the grease will not protect the tray, nor the cent, clean-up with hot water & vinegar.

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          • Maineman750
            Administrator

            • Apr 2011
            • 12079

            #6
            Originally posted by cents1st
            Planchet error. Grease is much softer than the planchet and the dies. "Grease" has no effect on strike. "Grease" is not used on dies on the press-floor, not when I was there. Slap a spoon-full of crisco in a section of icecube tray, put a cent on top, hit it with a hammer, the grease will not protect the tray, nor the cent, clean-up with hot water & vinegar.

            What you've described is nothing like the minting process. Bob has already challenged you on grease filled dies in the past and you did not respond. Please stop interjecting your false theory or start a new thread and respond to the experts in a normal way.
            https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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            • Rollem
              Administrator

              • Feb 2011
              • 2823

              #7
              Nice one Bella and in great shape!

              Is that a small or large "S" mint mark?

              James
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              • cimperialis
                Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 1968

                #8
                No wait, Maineman, let's humor this theory. If this were a planchet error (as in the planchet already had this low area), why wouldn't we see at least some detail in this area I see no detail in the area. Just because it's lower and farther from the die doesn't mean that it should be completely resistant to the die reaching that part of the metal.

                In other words, rather than washed out or nonexistent details, we should see very low letters. They should still be sharp. Am I right?
                -Sean
                Search started in Sep 2011. 913,650 cents searched as of 9/24/13.

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                • cents1st

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Maineman750
                  What you've described is nothing like the minting process. Bob has already challenged you on grease filled dies in the past and you did not respond. Please stop interjecting your false theory or start a new thread and respond to the experts in a normal way.
                  Grease does not effect strike. Grease is soft. Dies are hard. Planchets are hard.

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                  • liveandievarieties
                    TPG & Market Expert
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 6049

                    #10
                    Not as long as I'm a member!

                    Originally posted by cents1st
                    Planchet error. Grease is much softer than the planchet and the dies. "Grease" has no effect on strike. "Grease" is not used on dies on the press-floor, not when I was there. Slap a spoon-full of crisco in a section of icecube tray, put a cent on top, hit it with a hammer, the grease will not protect the tray, nor the cent, clean-up with hot water & vinegar.

                    You're a silly, silly man. I'd recommend that you purchase some die variety reference books and stop exposing your ignorance. To so bluntly contradict some of the most experienced experts in our field shows your lack of experince and failure to educate yourself on the topic at hand.

                    TO EVERYONE ELSE: I'm sorry if I sound like such a jerk but our forum is getting over run by know-it-all imbiciles. If you want this place to go the way of coin talk and the CONECA forum as well as others, just sit there and watch it happen. If you love everything that makes this place great, as I do, this is your call to action. Speak up, take a stand- if we as members don't protect our home and family, nobody else is going to step in and do it for us. If you're offended by anything I've said, let me know, it may beg for an entirely new thread on the subject.
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                    • liveandievarieties
                      TPG & Market Expert
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 6049

                      #11
                      OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain it to you, but really, buy a book cents1st!

                      Under extreme pressure, a thick liquid acts as a solid by blocking the planchet from filling the recesses of the die. The grease is trapped in there, it doesn't squeeze out becase it's trapped against the planchet by the pressure of the strike. That's pertaining to soft grease which produces "greasers".

                      Another form of this anomaly is when metal dust and miscellaneous tiny debris mixes with the grease and becomes a solid through repeated strikes. This also fills the details of the die and blocks detail from being struck into the planchet. When this "gunk" falls out onto an unstruck planchet, it can be struck into the cent thus creating a "dropped letter" (look it up- I don't invent these terms)

                      Does that make any sense to you?
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                      • Maineman750
                        Administrator

                        • Apr 2011
                        • 12079

                        #12
                        Chris, that is a good explanation but in the past it was explained and he just went away for a while....I call it "drive-by mayhem"
                        https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                        • liveandievarieties
                          TPG & Market Expert
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 6049

                          #13
                          Well, is everyone else just okay with that?
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                          • Antiquity
                            Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1590

                            #14
                            Trolls should be banned, too easy, if he really wants to learn and be a part of the community then he would act like it, from what I hear he hasnt. I use to be a member of cointalk, it was a joke compared to the greatness that is LCR. Keep the riff raff out I say!
                            THOMAS J.

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                            • RWBILLER
                              Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 6870

                              #15
                              Good explanation and if someone doesn't have a error/varaity book, ask on lcr -- someone has an extra.
                              Rog
                              Roger
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