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  • pman860507
    Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1577

    #1

    Small Date coins

    I could be way off on this. but this auction on teletrade today is for a 1960 small date MS63RD. the pictures look like a LD to me. I have noticed this a lot with NGC. On 1960 and 1970-s coins. Whats going with this. How do they expect us to send them something when they cant get the easiest things right.

    Dumb NGC

    Casey Parman
  • liveandievarieties
    TPG & Market Expert
    • Feb 2011
    • 6049

    #2
    Cool Casey, I should pick that up to put with my PCGS 1960-D MS66 SD (that's actually a LD).
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    • BadThad
      Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 3011

      #3
      Definately a large date! The grade is off too, I'd call that MS62!
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      • duck620
        Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 2909

        #4
        Good call Casey! How can Ngc make such a mistake on something like that? Maybe the coins have been switched???

        Ken.
        "2012 Finds HERE"

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        • liveandievarieties
          TPG & Market Expert
          • Feb 2011
          • 6049

          #5
          The truth of the matter is that the TPGs are like any other employer- they'll pay as little as they can get away with for minimally experienced help... It's all about the Dollar Signs!
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          • willbrooks
            Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

            • Jan 2012
            • 9474

            #6
            That's frightening. Can't even trust the slabbed coins. I have been looking at 70s small dates on ebay and about 2/3 of them are large dates.
            All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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            • pman860507
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1577

              #7
              Originally posted by liveandievarieties
              The truth of the matter is that the TPGs are like any other employer- they'll pay as little as they can get away with for minimally experienced help... It's all about the Dollar Signs!

              I know all about that. It still makes me mad though that they cant hire someone that is qualified to grade and distinguish coins. Just give them a picture of them at least. I understand that the 1970-s can be hard to spot and sometimes mistakes are made but the 1960! this 2 completely different coins!!!

              I'm really not as mad anymore maybe it was my lack of coffee this morning that put me over the edge!!!
              Casey Parman

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              • papascoins
                Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 1202

                #8
                Definately LARGE DATE!
                Proves that 'selling the slab' is more important than 'selling the coin'.
                Plus, some unsuspecting buyer may purchase it, and have to deal with it later!!
                Last edited by papascoins; 03-13-2012, 02:06 PM. Reason: spelling change
                Mark

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                • liveandievarieties
                  TPG & Market Expert
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 6049

                  #9
                  That's definitely a coin I wouldn't deak with!!
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                  • simonm
                    Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 6398

                    #10
                    Originally posted by liveandievarieties
                    That's definitely a coin I wouldn't deak with!!

                    Chris, you just blabbed your way past 2,000 posts!!
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                    • jcuve
                      Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 15458

                      #11
                      An unforgivable misattribution...shame, shame NGC.



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                      • coppercoins
                        Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 2482

                        #12
                        Guys - Don't forget that coppercoins certification service will be opening within a couple of months, and we KNOW the difference between large date and small date coins, and will EVEN put "large date" or "small date" on 1974 cents (unlike anyone else).
                        Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
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                        • pman860507
                          Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1577

                          #13
                          Originally posted by coppercoins
                          Guys - Don't forget that coppercoins certification service will be opening within a couple of months, and we KNOW the difference between large date and small date coins, and will EVEN put "large date" or "small date" on 1974 cents (unlike anyone else).

                          This is still one thing I'm excited to see come. I cant see what the final product will look like. maybe we need a little sample
                          Casey Parman

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