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  • mustbebob
    Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
    • Jul 2008
    • 12758

    #16
    OK Jean,
    Let me see if I can satisfactorily address some of the issues you brought up.
    First, the term 'doubled column' is somewhat of an incorrect term. What we are seeing, is actually a portion of the column, and they vary in size. Some examples will also have doubled knees, doubled feet, etc. In fact, even those are only partial impressions made during the single squeeze hubbing process. What we are believing is actually happening is when the hub is being used to impress the image onto a blank die, the initial 'kiss' between the two is interrupted by movement. The die blank is actually conical in shape, so that is why we see the majority of these anomalies in the center of the die, since that is where the very first touch between the hub and die happens.. This 'snap back' into proper alignment is what actually causes the anomalies as we see them. The point in time when the snap back happens determines how much of the impression is affected. The tiny column bars result when the snap back happens very quickly. The longer it takes for the snap back to happen, the stronger the area affected.
    There are a few areas on the coin where extra column bars show that are part of the design. Those show in memorial bays 1, 5, 7, and 11. Those are meant to be the columns at the back of the memorial, that can be seen through the front columns.
    Now...as far as your coin goes, there is little doubt it is a DDR. The extra thickness, and other things you see are all part of this process. We have had weird examples show up that we can't fully explain, but do know that all come from the same process. I believe your coin needs an in hand examination. I also believe it may be a candidate for inclusion onto the coppercoins web site. Could I have a look at it some time?
    If you still don't understand what I am trying to explain, please let me know what it is that still puzzles you, and I will try to expand a bit....OK??
    Bob Piazza
    Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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    • 1sgret

      #17
      Right on Bob. Hope it's a new one Jean.

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      • JeanK
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 5696

        #18
        Thanks Bob and Joe!
        Bob, your description is *very* helpful... I will print it out so I can refer to it when I am searching. It takes awhile for these things to work their way into my thick skull... much less brain.
        I will include it with the coins I am planning to send after the holidays for attribution so you can take a look at it. If it is new then I will be proud to have it included in CC's website.
        Many thanks,
        Jean

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        • kloccwork419
          Banned
          • Sep 2008
          • 6800

          #19
          Cool...Bob is a good guy!!. I dont care what Joe says about you in the posts you dont read...lolol

          Im just kiddin!!...He is a good guy tho Jean. Willing to help anytime he can with inhand looks at coins..That way you KNOW what you have without the doubts!!

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          • legend
            Banned
            • Dec 2007
            • 469

            #20
            Hey Jean.
            Yeppr, that's a DDR, and don't let anyone tell ya no! I sent two such to NGC, and they failed to attribute them, something about how they have to be a certain size. Your double is WELL PRONOUNCED, so it will be easy enough to get attributed. While I understand they have to draw the line somewhere when attributing DDR's like column doubles, I asked one attributer if "it's a doubled die, how can it also NOT be a doubled die?", and they came off the size retreat answer and admitted it was a judgement call. I opined that some very small column doubles from a variety of years were QUITE small.
            One of the members here asked excitedly if it was a 2000 Wide AM DDR, and those are tough, but they are out there. Golly, I hope I get a camera for Christmas, so the board can have Christmas cheer with me and my Wide AM collection.
            .2000WIDEAMDDR
            oopsy daisy.
            BTW, anyone heard of a Washington Presidential DDR with a doubled crown detail, between the stars, on the fourth ray from the bottom counting clockwise.
            Maybe we all should buy a bag of late production Washington dollars, so we can get some LDS good luck going on. I am on # 6. Happy hunting, all.
            Last edited by legend; 12-20-2008, 09:59 PM. Reason: www not active yet.

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            • Daggit

              #21
              I knew Bob would fix this up for you Jean.

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              • JeanK
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 5696

                #22
                Daggit, you are such a positive influence for me.
                I did print the page Bob wrote and will keep it with my other reference material within easy reach.
                Thanks bunches,
                Jean

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                • mustbebob
                  Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 12758

                  #23
                  You folks are much too kind, and I apprecaite the nice words. I am always willing to help where I can. After 40 years of doing this stuff, I gotta make room in my brain for new info
                  Bob Piazza
                  Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                  • JeanK
                    Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 5696

                    #24
                    Bob,
                    If you find that room in your brain would you please let us all know where it is and maybe we can benefit from your new medical discovery, too.
                    I told you, I need all the help I can get...
                    Jean

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                    • mustbebob
                      Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 12758

                      #25
                      Too funny Jean My problem is that I have a 2 1/2 year old grand daughter who is just beginning to talk in sentences. After I get through spending some time with her...she is speaking better than I am, and I feel like I am regressing into a 2 year old myself. Now...If I can get her to quit hiding my coins...then I would be a happy camper!
                      Bob Piazza
                      Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                      • 1sgret

                        #26
                        [ Now...If I can get her to quit hiding my coins...then I would be a happy camper![/quote]

                        I glad to see I wasn't the only one with problems of the grandkids. My 5 year old granddaughter and 6 year old grandson do the same thing. I almost have them broke now.
                        I take there purse or wallet and hide it, that's where they have all there money!!!!
                        Then at the end of the visit it is "COUGH IT UP" or go home without it.

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