Columns and such

[JeanK]

I don't want to cause any problems with others when I have the following type of questions... so if it is not appropriate then the moderators can dump the thread and I won't be upset.

Okay everyone... got some questions for you.
I have been looking at all the pictures I can find at various places on the net at the extra columns and such on Memorial cents.
One question is... how do we know there is an extra column?
Isn't some of the detail we find to the right of the first six columns actually an artists idea of shadowing of the column? And, on the last six columns perhaps the same artistic license is being used to the left of the column?
From what I understand, the lighting at the front of the memorial comes from two major directions and it could give the effect of the columns having shadows.

Another question is... I see some double columns shown that contradict my idea that the area on either side of the chair could be the front of the chair leg and not a doubled column. Also, that fat knees on Lincoln are actually sloppy extra spreading metal and not doubling.

Those lead to other questions...
How do we know when a shadow of a column is actually a doubled column or not? Which columns are not suppose to have shadows?

There are so many different varieties of Lincolns that are quite obvious to one's eye, but some that defy my understanding of the minting process.


Jean

[1sgret]

Easiest way to answer your questions is go to CC. Look at year 2006 and all the
DDR's . Click on each one then look at each die stage for that coin.
How the site is laid out for each coin's reverse description should answer most of your questions.
I would also recommend that the attributer (mustbebob) or Bob, answer your questions on what determines doubling or is not doubling.

Everyone that searches for DDO/DDR's has there own way of doing it and attributing what they find and that is why there are alot of questions on this Forum as to what is doubling and what is not with the new Schuler (Squeeze system)presses. (This is about what you are indicating in the types of questions you would like answered).

I will answer what I can of your questions and I am sure others here will to help you out if you will go to CC and look at the different classes of doubling and their locations on the Reverse of the coins.

You have brought up a good point which is overlooked by collector's (Like me) who have been searching for years as we tend to take things for granted with everyone's knowledge of the minting system.

[JeanK]

Columns and such with 2003P pictures

Okay... I keep sabotaging my own examples. Had this all set up and pushed the wrong button and it flew off into cyberspace never to be seen again.

This coin I photographed is a 2003P bu, of which I found no match on CC.
The first two pics are, of course, the date.
The third picture is from my QX5 and shows what I believe to be some doubling on the figure.
The fourth picture is from my camera, and has lines that are suppose to be pointing out a raised area between the arm of the chair and column 7. This raised area is about the same height of the chair arm but does not seem to be part of the chair arm.
Comments and possible attribution are welcomed.
Jean

[CCC]

There does appear to be something there Jean. The lighting need's to be a little more west on your setup on the 4th picture
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[kloccwork419]

Is all them pix the same coin?. That last pic is a Double Column. They appear on alot of years but overlooked because its not being looked for. It doesnt bring a premium really,unless its real dramatic!! Just something to keep I guess!

[JeanK]

Columns and such with 2003P pictures

Yep, all four are the same coin...
Here is another camera pic... I tried to rotate the image but it made it very tall and skinny so I decided to return it to sideways... sure would like to do that with my own self...the tall and skinny part that is.
I know the figure is usually a bit odd, but this one is very odd.

Jean

[CCC]

I would think so now Jean. I think Bob would know better than I do on DDR. Congrat's on finding it whether it is or isn't. Good Eye!!!!!!!!!

[JeanK]

Don't know if it is a good eye or not David.
I am posting it mostly to see whether or not I am getting the hang of these column things... argh!
By the way, I was forgot to mention, it is one of the coins I have in a bag to recycle...
Jean

[Daggit]

Hi Jean that is a doubled column I have found a few, I believe that they are only listing them on CC if they are long enough. Bob can explain it better. I have a few in the 2000's and recently found this 1999

[CCC]

That is definately a DDR. Is it a Wide AM?

[JeanK]

way cool daggit!
thanks for the pic, it speaks a 1,009 words.
jean

[Daggit]

No unfortunately it's not a wide AM, you are welcome Jean glad I could help.

[1sgret]

Hi Jean: Yes, you do have a DDR, however it may not be listed on CC because Bob determined an example like it was to minor or he has not seen one like this. Let Bob make the evaluation. You got the hang of it on the columns. Nice find.

Daggit has a really nice and strong example. Nice find also!

[RWBILLER]

Jean
Good questions - I am printing the replyies. I only have identified one 2006 dd die#9.
Thanks
Roger

[JeanK]

Columns and such with 2003P pictures

Hi everyone...
After looking at this picture over and over I am beginning to suspect the doubling is not on the column but on the figure.
Take a close look at the left hand and notice there seems to be a partial hand and chair arm immediately to the right (our right) of the left hand... with all those 'separations' on the legs, feet and body, do you suppose this could be the figure being 'doubled', so to speak?
Jean
Thanks for bumbling through this exercise with me...