1964P Reverse?

[bella]

Take a look a reverse not sure what it is light spread ? Only took a pic of the OF in united states of America and the 1st e of ONE CENT. But it is the reverse of a 1963 P .

[jallengomez]

I'm only seeing MD.

[simonm]

Man, the 1964 reverses can be tough with all the class II DDRs. Unfortunately, without any notching present, I would say it is a case of tricky MD. Keep up the hunt!

[jcuve]

I agree, MD. Look for a notch or two when examining possible early '60s DDRs.

[lucas_billy@yahoo.com]

even with the notch under the O and on the ends of the A its a MD.....

[jcuve]

even with the notch under the O and on the ends of the A its a MD.....

Notching occurs at the corners of overlapping devices in two or more hubbings. There wouldn't be a true notch on O (no corners), and looking at the photos I see nothing resembling a notch in either area you note. There is pushed up metal, and pseudo-separation lines...

[jallengomez]

Jason,

As for that pushed up metal we see, I've seen potter describe that as "ejection doubling", but I've seen others use ejection doubling to describe push doubling. Do you know if that's officially "ejection doubling?"

[jcuve]

Jason,

As for that pushed up metal we see, I've seen potter describe that as "ejection doubling", but I've seen others use ejection doubling to describe push doubling. Do you know if that's officially "ejection doubling?"

I am not sure how you would know if the die moved and hit the coin versus the coin moving and hitting the die in some minor manner. So these varied terms seem unnecessary when describing the subtle manifestations of push type machine doubling. I know it seems like the idea of the coin making additional contact with die as it is ejected sounds plausible, but in my view, unprovable and needlessly confusing.

[jallengomez]

Jason,

This is the link to the Potter example. To me, the doubling is distinct from the typical, flat, shelf-like that we see with push doubling in that it was a raised area of metal with usually an adjacent trough. You can see it clearly at the top and bottom of the O in "of" in the OPs original post. I see this a lot with coins from 59 and the early sixties.

http://koinpro.tripod.com/OFD/19591cEJDBL.jpg

[jcuve]

I know what it is, it's just barely doubling and resembles a hybrid of push and slide MD. There are already so many names for MD as it is, it just adds to the confusion when there's more that is not collectible.

[jallengomez]

See I'm just the opposite. I get disgusted with the term MD because it refers to so many different causes. I guess with me it's kind of like classes of doubled dies; I like knowing exactly how each anomaly came about and what the precise cause of it is.