1989 D shocker - for a few seconds anyways.

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  • wapa
    Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 2409

    #1

    1989 D shocker - for a few seconds anyways.

    When I flipped this one over and first saw the FG I though yea, I finally found one. Butttt..... Upon closer inspection, I am still an FG'less. lol You have to admit that at first glance it looks good.
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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9473

    #2
    [QUOTE=wapa;219344] That would wake me up like smelling-salts! The position relative to the the base of the memorial sold you out, unfortunately. This is a great educational post for rdv identification.
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    • Jacob
      Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 1737

      #3
      The RDV-005 does not exist on the 1989s. I dont look for them for I feel its a waste of time. If one was found where it looked like a RDV it would be inconclusive for it is most likely polishing issues.
      Life is not about greatness but on the impact of good onto others. It is a matter of how much one shines. Explains why I like shiny coins.

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      • willbrooks
        Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

        • Jan 2012
        • 9473

        #4
        Originally posted by Jacob
        If one was found where it looked like a RDV it would be inconclusive for it is most likely polishing issues.
        Absolutely NOT true. The position is different and could be verified from that.
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        • wapa
          Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 2409

          #5
          Originally posted by Jacob
          The RDV-005 does not exist on the 1989s. I dont look for them for I feel its a waste of time. If one was found where it looked like a RDV it would be inconclusive for it is most likely polishing issues.
          That is interesting that it is listed in Strike it Rich, though there is a disclaimer. It does hold some value according to the book. So I want to know from all of the metallurgical and die experts in here how polishing could make a wide device narrower since it is incuse on the die. If they polish it wouldn't it wear it down and the device would get wider or it would disappear. The only way they can do something like this is add metal to the stamp and recut the initials. It would make more sense that they had several stamps to make such different devices. Maybe I am all backwards on this and of so apologize for now for my ignorance. Frankly I don't know how polishing can make a thinner device since metal is being removed by polishing.

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          • GrumpyEd
            Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 7229

            #6
            I think what looks like movement apart from die wear is like when a close AM cent die with polishing starts to have a gap and look like a wide AM. In reality they aren't moving apart, the letters are getting narrower and look further apart. A side view cross-section of the incuse letters into a die will look like valleys. As they polish from the surface the valleys get narrower and look further apart.

            As far as FG moving, the positions are more different and polishing should not confuse which RDV it is. Even if FG and the memorial was heavily abraded an overlay will show the real position. The overlay it needs to be done carefully not start by lining up on the memorials edge. The overlay if done right will conclusively prove which RDV it is.

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            • wapa
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 2409

              #7
              That is exactly what I am saying Ed. I understand the incuse surface on the die. But looking at the strong FG and the weak FG imo there is no way polishing a strong FG would result in a weak one or I should say one that looks like a weak FG, but is a weak strong FG. hehe There is no question that this is not a RDV as I stated the original post. I could tell that just by looking at the top of the G. Since it appears that the weak FG height is as high or so close to the height of the strong FG leads me to believe that there hasn't been much polishing. The strong FG is so wide and rounded and the weak is not near as rounded, steeper shoulders of the letter if you will. No matter, it is interesting to try to understand how things are caused on these little things.

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              • Jacob
                Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 1737

                #8
                Originally posted by willbrooks
                Absolutely NOT true. The position is different and could be verified from that.
                I didnt think of that good point will.
                Life is not about greatness but on the impact of good onto others. It is a matter of how much one shines. Explains why I like shiny coins.

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