1961D-1MM-012 **HOLD the PRESSES**

[coppercoins]

JHCons has sent me a coin that changes everything with 1961D-1MM-012. Evidently there is a VERY STRONG possibility that the once-in-a-lifetime occurrence where two different RPMs will be in the same spot with the same doubling - has happened with this die.

I have a coin in my possession that is NOT 1961D-1MM-012, but even by photo overlay is nearly COMPLETELY identical to 1961D-1MM-012, with only very subtle differences.

I spent the entire evening on it yesterday and am just about to have the time to wrap up my study and publish my findings.

I'm just letting everyone know about it IN CASE they might have some dupes of this RPM they are about to get rid of - you might want to check them again after what I'm about to release.

More at about 7PM Eastern.

[jallengomez]

I think we beat you to it.

http://lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29695

[coppercoins]

This one adds to the issue, and is unrelated to what I have found. I would have to say this particular coin (the one in your thread) is probably #012. Maybe I should try to get a look at that one too.

The coin in question in this particular study is in a thread started by JHCons that I could not find again.

[jallengomez]

What we ascertained in that previous thread was that the Coppercoins.com 012 is not the same as the Coneca and Wexler 012. It'll be interesting that there is yet a 3rd virtually identical MM.

[coppercoins]

Roller's coin, Jim's coin, and the 012 listed on coppercoins (which has been verified by both CONECA and John Wexler as matching their #12) are all three separate dies.

[coppercoins]

The problem comes in that the two coins I have in my possession marked as #012 are both from very reliable sources, and both are definitely from the same die.

Wexler's photograph on his website matches Roller's coin, which is definitely NOT from the same die as the two coins I have known as 1961D-1MM-012 for years.

[jfines69]

This is very interesting to say the least... Once in a life time nearly identical RPMs... WOW!!!

[coppercoins]

Basically what I'm seeing here is a mess. The CONECA markers match my coins, but the photo does not appear to match my coins. I believe this is a case of published mistaken identity involving three different dies.

[coppercoins]

Okay...

YOU play the attributer. I will post FOUR images over the next FOUR posts, and explain each one as I go along...you figure out the mess.

[coppercoins]

exhibit A - This is the coin I have that came from a respected source marked as CONECA RPM#12. It also matches 1961D-1MM-012.

[coppercoins]

exhibit B - This is the coin sent in by Jim.

[coppercoins]

exhibit C - This is Roller's coin. The blank areas are because I had to rotate and move his image to line up with mine.

[coppercoins]

exhibit D - This photo is credit to John Wexler - this is what he lists as WRPM-012, even though he cross references to both CONECA and coppercoins directly.

[simonm]

Very cool study, although one difference I notice is that coin B doesn't have the little "horn" coming off north of the mintmark (at least what I can see).

[Roller]

I see the possibility that my coin has a progressive die crack or extension of a gouge on top of the MM. Exhibit B has a less pronounced but likewise positioned anom on the top.