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  • bkh2014
    Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 147

    #1

    website's 1970 S large date-small date picture.

    Please check link below, where Large Date & Small Date comparison done. is this correct?




    Thanks
    Last edited by Maineman750; 06-03-2014, 02:53 AM.
  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9473

    #2
    Those are both large dates.

    It also looks like his picture of a wide AM is actually a close AM. This web site creator needs to visit the LCR!

    edit: That website also contains this very erroneous statement:
    "Striking Errors -- Some times the planchet will be struck off-center or struck several times producing a "Doubled Die Error" coin."

    I wonder if there is contact information for this web site owner. We need to get this individual to our forum!
    edit: I see his email listed on his page. I believe I will invite him to join our community.
    Last edited by willbrooks; 06-02-2014, 11:11 PM.
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    • GrumpyEd
      Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 7229

      #3
      Yes, please help him out and invite him to join us.

      The web page looks great and looks like he put a lot of effort into it.

      But the 70SD is a LD.
      Also, to me the "Mint Mistake" is like scratching a chalkboard for me. It needs to say "Mint Errors" or something like that and move the doubled dies out of that section and say that RPMs and Doubled Dies are varieties not errors and explain that they have nothing to do with how the coin was struck, they are varieties created when the die was made or when the mintmark was punched into the die.

      He can use my wide AM pics if he wants:

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      • Maineman750
        Administrator

        • Apr 2011
        • 12069

        #4
        bkh2014, I removed the pictures....a link is fine, but please don't attach pictures belonging to someone else...that is copyright infringement.
        https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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        • trails
          Moderator, Error Expert
          • Feb 2008
          • 3358

          #5
          He does have a small date and a large date 1970. However, the captions are wrong (reversed).

          BJ Neff
          ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"

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          • willbrooks
            Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

            • Jan 2012
            • 9473

            #6
            Originally posted by trails
            He does have a small date and a large date 1970. However, the captions are wrong (reversed).

            BJ Neff
            I thought that at first glance too, but I think the 9 in that photo is damaged because looking at the other diagnostics, it fits the bill for a large date also.
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            • jallengomez
              Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 4447

              #7
              Both coins in the photos that I'm looking at are large dates.
              “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

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              • Maineman750
                Administrator

                • Apr 2011
                • 12069

                #8
                Originally posted by jallengomez
                Both coins in the photos that I'm looking at are large dates.
                That's what I see.
                https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                • GrumpyEd
                  Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 7229

                  #9
                  When people judge them by the level top of the date it's easy to get it wrong.
                  Many books show a line above the date and use that to differentiate and ignore the more definite differences.

                  They are both LD, no doubt.

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                  • willbrooks
                    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                    • Jan 2012
                    • 9473

                    #10
                    Originally posted by GrumpyEd
                    When people judge them by the level top of the date it's easy to get it wrong.
                    Many books show a line above the date and use that to differentiate and ignore the more definite differences.

                    They are both LD, no doubt.
                    Totally agree with this. If I had to order the diagnostics by their usefulness in identifying this issue variety, I would rank them like this:

                    1. Level of the tail of the 7 in relation to the zero.
                    2. Shape of the zero.
                    3. Inner curl of the 9 pointedness and direction.
                    4. Weak Liberty
                    5. Height of the top of the 7 in relation to the zero.

                    I rank shape of the zero above the curl of the 9 for reliability, because the shape of the zero will not be affected by a single hit, like the curl of the 9 sometimes is, which can be deceptive.
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                    • enamel7
                      Paid Member

                      • Apr 2009
                      • 4041

                      #11
                      I remember finding that site a few years ago. I hope he does visit the site so he can learn more.

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                      • BadThad
                        Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3010

                        #12
                        Both the 70S shown are large dates! LOLOLOL
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                        • willbrooks
                          Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                          • Jan 2012
                          • 9473

                          #13
                          I sent the site operator an email inviting him to come join us and expand his knowledge about Lincoln cents. Unfortunately, so far, I haven't gotten a reply.
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