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i just found this penny and wanted to know if it is indeed an S/D or D/S penny. thank you
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No it is not. Last year that San Francisco Business strike was 1974. I don't believe any working Dies were interchanged after that time. Last Over Mint Mark was 1956 D/S. -
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Agree with cranky....and an over mint mark is pretty much impossible after 1989 because the MM is longer punched onto the die, it is on the master die now.Comment
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i thought i would post a follow up on this thread in case anyone was interested. i got an email from Heritage Auctions regarding this coin and they said its value is slightly under $100.Comment
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Say what? Your coin has no value. It is not a variety. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. There must be some confusion. There is no such thing as mint mark variety after 1989 because the mint mark was part of the master die. I assure you your coin is not worth $100. Would you please share the message/letter you got from heritage about this coin?All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.Comment
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here is a screenshot of the email off my ipad.Comment
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Definitely a mistake on their part. Two reasons : If there were such a variety, it would be produced by the master die and about half of the 2001-d cents would have it (worthless)....or it is one of a kind and would be worth thousands. You can send it to ANACS to be slabbed if you like....it will be an expensive lesson but I assure you it is not an over mint mark. Thanks for producing a copy...and keep in mind that Brian is pretty reckless throwing out a price like that....it seems he doesn't know varieties or the minting process very well.Comment
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Thanks for the reply. Brian is obviously completely ignorant about Lincoln Cent varieties and needs to be told not to disseminate disinformation like this. This is simply horrible on his part to say something that he obviously has no clue about. If you decide to list it on ebay, please do not advertise it as a mint mark variety, as this is not even a possibility. Feel free to email him back with a link to this thread, or provide me with his contact information. and I will set him straight myself. It is BS like this that is destroying our hobby.
"There is some value to it, but not a lot. I would guess under $100."
You do realize that a coin worth 1 cent meets this criteria, right? Brian chose his words carefully. It sounds like a stock response to tell people to go use ebay.Last edited by willbrooks; 02-24-2015, 09:24 PM.All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.Comment
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thanks for your input. honestly though, the way i see it, a coins value (any coin) is only determined by the price the seller and buyer agree upon. i know you guys and brian know way more than me about coins, which is why i appreciate the responses. but if you don't mind, can you give me your opinion as to how this may have occurred? because whether its actually valuable or not, there is in fact an S inside the D... thanksLast edited by anilLiAnCe; 02-24-2015, 08:11 PM.Comment
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It is either a die chip or die gouge...which is basically damage....it may look like an S, but as we've pointed out...that is pretty much impossible after 1989. Believe me, we get quite a few inquiries of the nature.....and we love to see new discoveries....we would never give out information with such certainty if we weren't absolutely positive. Varieties and errors are our specialty and something most dealers are not very well versed in. If I thought there was even a tiny chance this was an over MM....I would have PM'd you with an offer much more than Brian quoted.
As for the value, you are correct....as long as the coin is correctly identified. One huge problem we see is having people post a rare coin they bought...and we have to inform them it is not what they were lead to believe.Comment
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This is correct. You may list this on ebay and if you fraudulently advertise it as something it is not, some other ignorant individual may pay you more than 1 cent for it. That is your prerogative, but all I can do is beseech you not to do it.
We know Lincoln cents. Brian does not.
As already noted, we didn't give you an opinion. We gave you a fact. It is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be an over mint mark here. What actually is going on with the mint mark cannot even be determined due to the poor quality of the photo, but it CANNOT be a mint mark variety. There are many non-collectible things that could cause an anomaly that could make you think you are seeing something that isn't there. Pareidolia. You are seeing something that may look like an S, but it simply IS NOT! I have locked this thread, so if you wish to communicate with me further on the subject, please send a private message or email. I will happily offer to examine the coin in-hand for you free of charge and I will be able to tell you EXACTLY what it is you are seeing on this coin. That is all I can do. Please take me up on this offer, because going with the opinion you got in that email is WRONG. I promise you. Wrong.
edit: after discussion with the OP, I have re-opened this thread.Last edited by willbrooks; 02-24-2015, 09:18 PM.All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.Comment
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I agree that it's worth face value only.
See if they'll stand behind their value estimate.
They do buy coins outright.
Ask them what their buy price for that coin is.
Here's a link to sell it directly to them:
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I like that Grumpy...Brian can learn the hard way
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