2016 P Spike Head

[Coin5]

I found what looks like my second Spike head find. This one is way bigger, the crack goes from rim to rim all the way across the head. Will submit to JC tomorrow...

Thanks for looking,
Adrian

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Added complete obv and rev pics.

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[VAB2013]

Congrats Adrian! This spike is interesting in several ways... for one, it involves the rim at the motto and to me almost looks like a struck through at the rim. Also, it looks like the die crack weakens (but is there) where it extends to the rim below Liberty. I think I am seeing a tiny die chip where the faint die crack ends. How are you seeing that?

Looking forward to seeing what JC says about this one! I think it's trying to be a retained cud or a split die!

Edit: I was also looking around at error-ref.com and saw a coin with a cracked planchet that involved the rim that looked similar to what I see at the top rim of your coin.

[Coin5]

Congrats Adrian! This spike is interesting in several ways... for one, it involves the rim at the motto and to me almost looks like a struck through at the rim. Also, it looks like the die crack weakens (but is there) where it extends to the rim below Liberty. I think I am seeing a tiny die chip where the faint die crack ends. How are you seeing that?

Looking forward to seeing what JC says about this one! I think it's trying to be a retained cud or a split die!

Edit: I was also looking around at error-ref.com and saw a coin with a cracked planchet that involved the rim that looked similar to what I see at the top rim of your coin.

Here are some pics of the area where the crack ends SW of LIBERTY.



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It looks to me there is a combo die crack+die chip+retention+PSD in that area Viv. I don't think it would make a good marker, as I think it would have not been very stable an changed rapidly during consecutive strikes???? Also, there could be some PSD involved adding chaos there...

Thanks for the link Viv; but it took me to a general page with overwhelming info for me... Can you indicate more precisely where are the pics for the coin you are mentioning??

Thanks for your awesome remarks Viv!!!

[VAB2013]

Sorry about the link.. here it is http://www.error-ref.com/?s=cracked+planchet

Your photos above won't open, please re-attach them.

It looks like a piece of metal/wire at the rim above OD - GOD??

[Coin5]

Sorry about the link.. here it is http://www.error-ref.com/?s=cracked+planchet

Your photos above won't open, please re-attach them.

It looks like a piece of metal/wire at the rim above OD - GOD??

Thanks for the link, I'll take a look at it later on....
Re-attached pics, hope they will open now. I don't know why they did not open the first time as I did nothing different than usual????
Sorry Viv, no wires there, that's the crack.

Thanks,
Adrian

[VAB2013]

Thank you for re-attaching the photos Adrian! This one still has me stumped and I'm thinking it's not a spike but something else. Something just doesn't look right at the rim above OD - GOD and where it terminates below Liberty does look more like PSD or possibly even from a struck through. Can you get a close up of the rim above GOD?

[Coin5]

Thank you for re-attaching the photos Adrian! This one still has me stumped and I'm thinking it's not a spike but something else. Something just doesn't look right at the rim above OD - GOD and where it terminates below Liberty does look more like PSD or possibly even from a struck through. Can you get a close up of the rim above GOD?

Viv. it is a raised feature. What you see above OD-GOD is probably some zinc exposure there due to split plating, PSD or micro-gas bubbles that pop, plus glare from lightning. I believe it's definitely a crack all the way through.
BTW, I send it to JC and he did not rejected it right away which is a good sign... He will get back to me when analysis is completed. I'll post the results.

Here are more pics for you to take a closer look.

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I also noticed 2 possible markers; but not sure:

obverse: monir crack on Lincoln's chin.
reverse: minor crack on Shield's top left corner.

Here are the pics.

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Added: Than you so much Viv for your interest and remarks!!!!

[jfines69]

That is very interesting... In some areas it looks like a crack but in others it is odd looking... I also noticed on the rev is an anomaly across the N of ONE the is strangely similar and in the same relative area to the crack (???) in the hair on the obv??? Are you able to do overlays???

[Coin5]

That is very interesting... In some areas it looks like a crack but in others it is odd looking... I also noticed on the rev is an anomaly across the N of ONE the is strangely similar and in the same relative area to the crack (???) in the hair on the obv??? Are you able to do overlays???

Jim, the anomaly across the N on the reverse I believe is PSD (almost sure). It is incuse and very symmetrically defined. I'm adding some pics for you to check it out.
I haven't done any overlays yet; but I'm working on that for future use...

Thank you so much.

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[jfines69]

Thanks for the follow up pics... That does appear to be incuse... Would it be ok to download your full obv and rev pics to do an overlay??? The curiosity bug has bitten me

[Coin5]

Thanks for the follow up pics... That does appear to be incuse... Would it be ok to download your full obv and rev pics to do an overlay??? The curiosity bug has bitten me

Yes, of course, you can download the pic and do the overlay. If you can, please post the result of the overlay. It will be interesting.
Thanks,
Adrian

[jfines69]

Yes, of course, you can download the pic and do the overlay. If you can, please post the result of the overlay. It will be interesting.
Thanks,
Adrian

Thanks... I appreciate it... I will get the overlay done today some time and hopefully have them posted this evening!!!

[jfines69]

Sorry for the delay on getting the overlay posted... I got side tracked numerous times... This is what I call my pair of doilies instead of pareidolia and here is the definition from our glossary -

Pareidolia: The phenomenon where people see patterns or objects in otherwise random data. People often “see” extra design elements that aren’t really there in a coin’s damaged areas, plating blisters, stains, etc.

The area on the rev is from PSD and not related in any way to the cracks on the obv... It was fun to play with the old imagination tho Thanks for letting me do the overlay... I appreciate it!!!

[Coin5]

Nice overlay... I have to learn that thanks for posting it. Yes, the feature in the reverse is PSD...
Thanks,
Adrian

Added: BTW, JC did not like the pics I sent him for the listing. He said the color isn't right, so I'm waiting to have a chance and take them with natural lightning outside...
Let's see how it goes.
Thanks again.

[jfines69]

Nice overlay... I have to learn that thanks for posting it. Yes, the feature in the reverse is PSD...
Thanks,
Adrian

Added: BTW, JC did not like the pics I sent him for the listing. He said the color isn't right, so I'm waiting to have a chance and take them with natural lightning outside...
Let's see how it goes.
Thanks again.

You are very welcome... The color was off... You will get it tho!!!