1983 Date Die Cud

[MrBill]

Wondering if this is a true die cud and it is rare or has any value? THANKS!!

[VAB2013]

Well how about that! I just found this same die the other day! Here's the link http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...3877-1983P-UDC

It is an unusual place to see die cracks and chips and I think it's pretty interesting looking, but not of any real value. Maybe could get a buck for it on ebay from someone who collects odd die cracks and chips, especially at the date.

Here's the definition of a cud from our Glossary (you can click on the jpg's below the definition to see pics)

Cud: A rim to rim die break, resulting in a piece of the die breaking off and falling out. The coins struck by such a die will exhibit a “blob” of raised metal along the rim where the normal design element should be. Cuds are always connected to the rim, else they are called interior die breaks. Due to the missing chunk in the die, the opposite side of the coin will exhibit a weakly struck area as shown in the 2nd photo below. Please visit cuds-on-coins.com for cud listings and attributions.

[MrBill]

Well how about that! I just found this same die the other day! Here's the link http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...3877-1983P-UDC

It is an unusual place to see die cracks and chips and I think it's pretty interesting looking, but not of any real value. Maybe could get a buck for it on ebay from someone who collects odd die cracks and chips, especially at the date.

I zoomed in on your photo and mine and they look almost identical. As "makecents" noted in your thread, "it kinda looks raised in the field between the 9 and the 8". Also saw that JC said it is a die chip. So is this a chip "out" of the coins or metal "added" to the coin?

I'm getting overwhelmed with the enormous number of varieties, errors etc. LOTS to learn!!

Thanks, Bill

[VAB2013]

Yes it is the same die, there are some die scratches on both coins coming from the bow tie area heading toward the date that are the same also! This thing happens when a die crack gets bigger and a part of the die actually falls off leaving a void (die break)... that void in the die causes the blob of metal that we see. These die cracks and chips are a normal occurrence as the dies age and are quite common. But every now and then we see some unusual ones like this! A more collectible type of die chip is a BIE, here's a link to those! http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-bies/

There is a lot to learn about Lincoln's and it can be overwhelming sometimes... but, just have fun and learn as you go! We're here if you have any questions, etc.

Nice pics BTW!

[jfines69]

Now that's cool... That crack/chip combo has made it a good distribution... Vivien in the south to Mr. Bill in the north... Vivien - does yours exhibit the same die wear as Mr Bills along the bottom edge of the jacket???

[ERRORCENTS]

Mr. Bill, what you posted in the picture of the 1983 are called die chips. A CUD is like the coin Vivian pictured...Sorry Mr. Bill.

Pat G.

[Petespockets55]

Mr. Bill, what you posted in the picture of the 1983 are called die chips. A CUD is like the coin Vivian pictured...Sorry Mr. Bill.

Pat G.

Yep and the CUD must touch the rim otherwise it's its a type of interior retained die break/chip (depending on the size).

[VAB2013]

Now that's cool... That crack/chip combo has made it a good distribution... Vivien in the south to Mr. Bill in the north... Vivien - does yours exhibit the same die wear as Mr Bills along the bottom edge of the jacket???

Yes Jim it does show about the same amount of die wear and those scratches from the bow tie/vest to the date are exactly the same!

[MrBill]

I looked through the registered Die Crack/Breaks on Cuds-On-Line. I found one similar but very different. Has anyone submitted any such LMCs for evaluation as a new "attribution"?

[GrumpyEd]

Think of a cud as like you use a hammer until a sliver of the edge breaks off like the way cavemen made tools. It must be the edge. If it's inside and not to the edge then it's a chip or crack or interior die break. Similar things, metal chips away but not the edge like a cud.

[VAB2013]

I looked through the registered Die Crack/Breaks on Cuds-On-Line. I found one similar but very different. Has anyone submitted any such LMCs for evaluation as a new "attribution"?

The size requirement on cuds-on-coins for an interior die break is 4 square millimeters. This one that you and I have found is not quite large enough. I saw the ones you saw on cuds-on-coins, for instance the 79D, here's the link http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-idb-1959-2008/

[jfines69]

Yes Jim it does show about the same amount of die wear and those scratches from the bow tie/vest to the date are exactly the same!

Cool... Thanks for the follow up!!!

[jfines69]

I looked through the registered Die Crack/Breaks on Cuds-On-Line. I found one similar but very different. Has anyone submitted any such LMCs for evaluation as a new "attribution"?

Here is some info from Error Ref on different types of CUDS http://www.error-ref.com/?s=CUD and Interior Die Break (IDB) http://www.error-ref.com/?s=interior+die+break Hope that helps a little... Unfortunately the size of your chips are to small to classify as an IDB!!!

[MrBill]

The size requirement on cuds-on-coins for an interior die break is 4 square millimeters. This one that you and I have found is not quite large enough. I saw the ones you saw on cuds-on-coins, for instance the 79D, here's the link http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-idb-1959-2008/

Here is the 1983 LMC that I was referring to IDB-1c-1983-04 Images Courtesy of Tony Brubaker. This one has the "chip" on the bottom of the 8 but not the 2nd piece that connects to the 9 etc.