1988 FS-901 confusion

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  • kloccwork419
    Banned
    • Sep 2008
    • 6800

    #1

    1988 FS-901 confusion

    Dont all 1988s have a Wide AM?. If FS-901 is the RDV-006 why did they add the "Wide AM" to confuse people? Why not just leave it off?. Now everyone on eBay thinks the normal 1988 is special for having a Wide AM.
  • makecents
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    • Jun 2017
    • 11038

    #2
    I have wondered the same thing. I would like to hear the reasoning for this...

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    • enamel7
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      • Apr 2009
      • 4047

      #3
      I also have never understood why they refer to it as a wide am. Just causes confusion.

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      • GrumpyEd
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        • Jan 2013
        • 7229

        #4
        Because they have poor judgement.

        The other equally confusing thing is when on some slabs but not all NGC puts "close AM" on regular 1998, 1999, 2000 cents.
        I've seen some on ebay that had bidding wars and sold for crazy money to confused buyers. People assume it means something rare, they could have put "normal reverse" or just left it off because they don't need to put "normal" on every coin they grade, just list varieties if they are. LOL

        Like this coin, the seller even gave a spiffy close up of the AM to show it. Probably because they are also confused that it is normal.

        Example:

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        • makecents
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          • Jun 2017
          • 11038

          #5
          Originally posted by GrumpyEd
          Because they have poor judgement.

          The other equally confusing thing is when on some slabs but not all NGC puts "close AM" on regular 1998, 1999, 2000 cents.
          I've seen some on ebay that had bidding wars and sold for crazy money to confused buyers. People assume it means something rare, they could have put "normal reverse" or just left it off because they don't need to put "normal" on every coin they grade, just list varieties if they are. LOL

          Like this coin, the seller even gave a spiffy close up of the AM to show it. Probably because they are also confused that it is normal.

          Example:

          https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Lincol...-/143132184832
          So, we have TPG's that don't use common sense, the growing number of eBay sellers that are novices, at best, of what they are selling and then of course the clueless buyer that fuels the fire! It really does amaze me that the buyers do not educate themselves a little more though, before throwing big bucks at what they THINK is worth something. As a seller on eBay, I've found that the more info and better pics I have, the less interested they are...

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          • WaterSport
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3292

            #6
            Rather than wide or closed AM, it should have been originally identified as wide or close Initials! But hey, less knowledgable folks would have equally as hard time identifying the difference there as well.

            Another problem is eBays new sellers listing format. It list all the "1988" cents asking if this is like yours. Well heck yeah that expensive one (for whatever the reason) is exactly like the one I want to sell.

            WS

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            • kloccwork419
              Banned
              • Sep 2008
              • 6800

              #7
              Exactly. Theres so many normal 1988 selling being listed as a Wide AM. Of course its wide AM, they all are. I figured it was something like this but maybe I was missing something.

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              • mustbebob
                Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                • Jul 2008
                • 12758

                #8
                NO COMMENT CAUSE IT"LL MAKE ME ANGRIER ABOUT THIS SORT OF STUFF THAN I ALREADY AM.
                Bob Piazza
                Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                • kloccwork419
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                  • Sep 2008
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                  #9
                  Get em Bob!!!!!

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                  • jfines69
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 28848

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mustbebob
                    NO COMMENT CAUSE IT"LL MAKE ME ANGRIER ABOUT THIS SORT OF STUFF THAN I ALREADY AM.
                    Shouldn't that be "THEN I ALREADY A M" Time for some Bobnogg
                    Jim
                    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                    • Petespockets55
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                      • Dec 2014
                      • 6890

                      #11
                      Were these first found about the same time as wide and close AM cents?

                      Unfortunately, most of those sellers are probably not clueless. They are using the description for whatever brings in the most $. But unfortunately for novices, this "accurate" description is an expensive lesson.

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                      • GrumpyEd
                        Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7229

                        #12
                        Were these first found about the same time as wide and close AM cents?
                        Not sure but I remember first hearing about WAMs maybe in 2000 then later the 1998 and 1999 were listed. I don't remember hearing about the 1988 RDVs until after that.

                        Who was it that started using "wide AM" for the 1988 cents? Was it the CPG listing?

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                        • kloccwork419
                          Banned
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 6800

                          #13
                          Yes. I'm pretty sure. I just dont get why it's a characteristic of the RDV when all 88s have it. Same as 98-2000, some say close AM and I think I seen a 92 & 98 proofs saying Wide AM

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                          • kloccwork419
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 6800

                            #14
                            Just noticed it's even worse. Most of the true views of this coin on PCGS aren't even RDV-006.... O man

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                            • GrumpyEd
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                              • Jan 2013
                              • 7229

                              #15
                              But the wide AM is so easy to see LOL

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