New Page: 1958 DDO 1

[Brad]

Check out the new page I added today:

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/doubledies/1958ddo1.html

[jhracing08]

Check out the new page I added today:

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/d.../1958ddo1.html

wow what a beautiful coin, i gotta find me one of those lol

[1sgret]

Check out the new page I added today:

http://www.lincolncentresource.com/d.../1958ddo1.html

That's a nice addition Brad!!!!!!!!

wow what a beautiful coin, i gotta find me one of those lol

Follow this Link and your wish is for sale: Scroll down to 1958:

http://www.samlukesrarecoins.com/subpage8.html

[jhracing08]

That's a nice addition Brad!!!!!!!!




Follow this Link and your wish is for sale: Schroll down to 1958:

http://www.samlukesrarecoins.com/subpage8.html

Want to buy it for me? My birthday is coming up lol

[abe]

200,000 clams, unnnnbelievable. I better double check my dirty cents...

[1sgret]

Want to buy it for me? My birthday is coming up lol

Mine is coming up also but I can't make my allowance stretch that far. Besides the better half would find out.

200,000 clams, unnnnbelievable. I better double check my dirty cents...

That's proably cheap as only two are known. I better go back to cleaning my old coins also.

[AgCollector]

Nice page. Any time I see this one, I always thinks it looks more like a class V than class I since the date has relatively little doubling compared to, say, LIBERTY. I know they're different size letters / numerals, but it still appears that way to me. Also, "IN" appears to have more separation than "TRUST". Anyone else ever think that?

[jcuve]

Nice addition Brad!

[Brad]

Nice page. Any time I see this one, I always thinks it looks more like a class V than class I since the date has relatively little doubling compared to, say, LIBERTY. I know they're different size letters / numerals, but it still appears that way to me. Also, "IN" appears to have more separation than "TRUST". Anyone else ever think that?

I totally agree. Looks a lot like the 1995 ddo 1.

[jcuve]

I agree, it doesn't look the same as most big class 1 DDOs. However, looking at the picture in The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents I do see doubling in the date, whereas the '95 exhibits none. Maybe Billy or Bob can comment...

Has anyone read the story about the '58 DDO in The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents? I suggest it. My sense from reading it is, that a former mint employee from the 1940s claims to have found two in a mint sewn bag in 1960 and that there is speculation that the coins were (by one of two ways) secretly removed from the mint (by another mint employee). The former employee who found the coins took years to show anyone, and then, it was through anonymous photos with no return addresses at first. Later he showed a few specialists and then years later finally sold one, then the other.

[dvn]

I believe it is a Class I. Normally we associate Class I with rotation at the center of the die. Therefore, the rim being furthest distance we should see equal doubling along the rim. But, in this case on the 58, I believe the rotation is a little off from center a little towards the date. Then you would have not as much showing on the date and the IN of the motto pretty strong and the last "T" of TRUST still prominent but not quite as strong as on the word IN. On a Class V hub doubling the pivot is at the rim.

A classic example of what I'm talking about happened on the 1964 1c CDDR-001 strong DDR. At first, it was classified quite a while as a Class V pivoted hub doubling since doubling was not much visible on ONE CENT. But that was on the later die states with the doubling mushy, washed-out appearance. On the early die states we could see the doubling quite well on ONE CENT. Therefore, it was re-classified from a Class V pivoted hub doubling to a Class I rotated hub doubling but with rotation not quite on center of the die but a little south giving less doubling on ONE CENT as compared to the letters of EPU.

As far as the 58 DDO, I believe, and this is my opinion, it was done intentionally and there are not any out there to be found. Again, that's my thoughts on it.

Billy (dvn)

edited to add: Any of you with PhotoShop you can do yourself a favor. You can take a image of a normal 1958 cent obverse. Then in PhotoShop make a dupe of the image as another layer. Then choose darken for that second layer. Now choose rotation tool, it will show dotted outline of the image, move the center of rotation a little towards the date. Not much, just a little toward the date. Now rotate the image about 1.5 degrees. You will see it match exactly to what you see on the actual 58 DDO.

You can do this with any coin image, and you can do Class I, Class II, Class IV, Class V and even a Class VI. You can imitate any doubled die doing this in PhotoShop and can see for yourself where the rotation or pivot had to be to get the doubling that you see on the coin.

[AgCollector]

Thanks Billy for your comments- very insightful (as usual!).

[RWBILLER]

Great work Brad
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