1797 Draped Bust Large Cent

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  • hbarbee
    Member
    • Feb 2019
    • 121

    #1

    1797 Draped Bust Large Cent

    I recently posted this in the PCGS forum that I also participate in. It may be a bit off topic here, but I was hoping there would be some fellow Lincoln Cent specialists that have ventured into the earlier cent types as I have and could provide some observations.....

    My specialty is Lincoln Cents but have reached the point where the missing pieces are mostly unobtanium. Therefore, I thought it would be interesting to develop a type set across the large and small cents pre-Lincoln to study the progression of designs. As per the PCGS registry, such a set would consist of 11 pieces.

    Like others have mentioned on recent threads, I always wanted to own an 18th century example. While starting the search for candidates for the type set, I came across a 1797 Draped Bust and could not pass it up because the combination of grade and eye appeal that I wanted probably would not come along very often. I think it is the most attractive of the large cent designs. Although not attributed on the holder, it is a Sheldon S-135 and carries some interesting provenance. The PCGS survival estimate for all Draped Bust Cents in MS65 or better is only 40 pieces.

    I have provided a link to the TrueView. Also, my pic of the holder which better shows the coin as it looks in hand. TrueView images for copper are great for evaluating surface preservation and strike, but often not so good for actual appearance.

    https://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/41417389_Max.jpg

    Since I am inexperienced in early cents, I would like to ask those knowledgeable here to comment on what aspects of the coin would make it higher than a 64 and lower than a 66. Also, your general opinion of the coin considering the price point was closer to a 64 than a 65.

    Thanks,
    Hurst


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  • makecents
    Paid Member

    • Jun 2017
    • 11038

    #2
    Wow! Definitely out of both my wheelhouse and price range! I know nothing about these ladies but that is a beautiful large cent, congrats. I'm horrible at grading coins but do not know if clashing affects the grade. There is a nice, light clash in front of the chin and mouth and then you can see the bust clashing on the reverse, from the base of STATES over to OF. Very nice acquisition!

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    • hbarbee
      Member
      • Feb 2019
      • 121

      #3
      You have a very good eye! No one else reviewing the coin has mentioned that. I don't think that would have any effect for that era coin but I may be wrong.

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      • WaterSport
        Paid Member

        • Nov 2010
        • 3219

        #4
        Great looking cent! I took my sons Large cents that he bought raw over a couple of years and had them graded. But NONE of them were anything as nice as that one.Tahts as close as I came to large cent collecting.

        Bob

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        • Petespockets55
          Paid Member

          • Dec 2014
          • 6882

          #5
          Congrats on starting your type set and this coin in particular.
          Very nice example especially being 225 years old. Great color and overall appeal.

          Those True View really make the coin pop. Not seeing much to detract from the overall appeal as far as scratches or nicks.
          IMHO, the dark blemishes on the obv and rev (top of hair, obv @ k2:30 and reverse @ STATES) probably kept this one from a higher grade. I think that spot @ STATES looks like a carbon spot that has been nicely conserved. If it had been on the obv. I'm not sure it would have made 65.


          Originally posted by makecents
          Wow! Definitely out of both my wheelhouse and price range! I know nothing about these ladies but that is a beautiful large cent, congrats. I'm horrible at grading coins but do not know if clashing affects the grade. There is a nice, light clash in front of the chin and mouth and then you can see the bust clashing on the reverse, from the base of STATES over to OF. Very nice acquisition!
          Nice catch Jon. Is that clash the reason (or part of the reason) for the Sheldon number?
          Kind of like VAMS on Morgans use any clash or die crack to establish a number (almost any deviation from the intended design will create a number from what little I know)
          Last edited by Petespockets55; 03-22-2022, 04:17 AM.

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          • makecents
            Paid Member

            • Jun 2017
            • 11038

            #6
            Originally posted by Petespockets55
            Is that clash the reason (or part of the reason) for the Sheldon number?
            I have no clue and was about to go down that rabbit hole but decided not to, got to much on my plate right now. When I start on something like this, I'm like a dog with a bone, maybe at a later date.

            I did notice on the PCGS facts, that there is something about different ribbon types though, on the reverse.

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            • willbrooks
              Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

              • Jan 2012
              • 9474

              #7
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              • makecents
                Paid Member

                • Jun 2017
                • 11038

                #8
                Hey Mr. one cent. Do you have that one yet? Figured you would like that eye candy!

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