did they have troubles with the 4s during the 40s

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  • wheatiesfan
    • Jul 2025

    #1

    did they have troubles with the 4s during the 40s

  • hasfam
    Paid Member

    • May 2009
    • 6291

    #2
    What exactly are you referring to? I'm not seeing anything from your pic. Can you elaboate your question a little more or be more specific.
    Thanks
    Rock
    Rock
    My LCR Photo Album of Graded Lincoln Cent Cherry Picker Varieties

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    • corroded
      Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 591

      #3
      It just looks a little banged up.

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      • jcuve
        Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
        • Apr 2008
        • 15458

        #4
        I'm a little confused too. From the photo provided it appears as if the date has taken a hit or two, but maybe I am missing something; a more detailed description would help in answering your question. BTW, there are known issues with the 4 on different years (during the '40s) with different causes...



        Jason Cuvelier


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        • wheatiesfan

          #5
          its just that the 4s look shorter

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          • JeanK
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 5696

            #6
            Different fours

            Yep, the 4 does look a bit odd.
            The Lincoln Cent design changed from a pointed 4 to a blunt topped 4 in 1949. Some 1949 cents can show a blunt 4 punched over a pointed 4 like the first coin I am showing.

            First is 1949S-1DO-002 Class 3. Quoting from coppercoins.com , "A medium spread on the 194 of date. This variety shows a blunt four over pointed top 4 in date. This die also exhibits a repunched mintmark as 1949S-1MM-013. This die is known to be difficult to obtain, especially in mint state grades".

            The second coin is a 1949 D, which shows the blunt 4 that was the correct shape. The third coin, 1949 P, also has the correct blunt 4.

            If someone has a technical explanation then let us know.
            Jean

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            • jcuve
              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
              • Apr 2008
              • 15458

              #7
              I have read a few ideas (BJ has a good one in an issue of Errorscope) about the three '49S DDOs with the blunt 4 over the pointed 4 but there's no evidence to back any of them up at this point.



              Jason Cuvelier


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              • trails
                Moderator, Error Expert
                • Feb 2008
                • 3358

                #8
                Okay guys. A little history on the 4 digits of the 1940's. The first thing is that every 4 digit from 1940 to 1949 was different on the Lincoln cent. I am not to sure why and I think that only the engraver knew exactly the reason behind a change for each year. So, that made 11 different 4 digits for that decade. Yes, 11 different digits for the last year 1949 had two; the flat top and then a flat top over a sharp top 4 digit (over lays have shown this to be a 194 [1948] over a 1949). Three different San Francisco working dies were made this way and I suspect a 1948 working hub with the 8 digit taken off was used in the hubbing process. Possibly the Mint ran out of 1949 working hubs????

                There was one problem year; 1946. The last two digits seemed to have been too shallowly engraved into the master die for at the end of the working die run (which seemed to be with the San Fransisco dies) the 46 was very weak. It appears on more than a dew working dies that some measure of re-engraving took place to strengthen the last two digits. This took place on San Francisco working dies.

                While this information is on the Lincoln cent, other denominations may have followed suit with the changing 4 digit for each year. I do know that the Walking Liberty half dollar from 1944 has two mismatched four digits and is a great selling point for the digits being engraved and not applied by a punch.

                BJ Neff
                ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"

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                • wheatiesfan

                  #9
                  wow great info trails..i was thinking i was going blind ty again

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                  • MintyFresh

                    #10
                    Now, theres a bit of trivia that I find both intersting and useful... What were they thinking, 11 variations of the numeral 4? ... Thanks much.

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