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  • georoxx
    • Jun 2025

    #1

    Eds - mds - lds - veds

    Hi All.

    Need a lesson... Can someone please tell me what these acronyms stand for and the differences between them..?

    EDS - MDS - LDS - VEDS

    I know they have something to do with die markers, but that's about where my knowledge of the subject ends.

    Thanks.

    -Geo
  • Cdiddle
    Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 974

    #2
    EDS - Early Die State
    MDS - Mid Die State
    LDS - Late Die Dtate
    VEDS - Very Early Die State
    Cindy

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    • trails
      Moderator, Error Expert
      • Feb 2008
      • 3358

      #3
      We should also add VLDS - very late die state to the mix as well.

      Actually, die markers are more concerned with die stages that die states. So, the explanation of a die state is; " the age of the obverse and reverse die when it struck the coin". Remember that the dies (obverse and reverse) may not be of the same age (state).

      A die stage is concerning die markers and many die stages can and will be in the same die state. Example; you may have Stage "A" and Stage "B" in EDS, while Stage C, D and E may be in MDS. What it amounts to is that when a obvious die marker appears or disappears on a particular die (obverse or reverse) that die will move into a different stage.

      Hope that this helps.

      BJ Neff
      ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"

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      • georoxx

        #4
        Thank you so much, Cindy. (That was too easy, but you still get the teaching credential.)



        -Geo

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        • georoxx

          #5
          Thank you too, BJ.

          Interesting and potentially confusing if not fully understood. I could see how important it might be to understand the use of these terms in order to avoid misunderstandings and incorrect attributions.

          TGFP. <--- My own new acronym = Thank God For Pros



          -Geo

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          • Cdiddle
            Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 974

            #6
            Thank you BJ. I have always had a bit of confusion between the "stage" and the "state". Now it all makes sense.

            And Geo, your very welcome.
            Cindy

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            • jfines69
              Paid Member

              • Jun 2010
              • 28590

              #7
              Thank you very much BJ... I appreciate the lesson!!!
              Jim
              (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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              • kloccwork419
                Banned
                • Sep 2008
                • 6800

                #8
                V= Very
                E= Early
                M= Mid
                L= Late
                D= Die
                S= State

                Just depending how its put. EDS MDS LDS Thats what the letters are

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