1969 D Lincoln

[Guest]

Hello all,
I found my penny bag from about 30 years ago and look what was inside. 1969 D with the L and I in liberty missing most of the I and a fading N at IN GOD WE TRUST. Anybody have any info about what I have.
Thanks, David

[VAB2013]

Hello David and welcome to the LCF! Your 1969D is a struck through filled die. The definition below is from our Glossary and the link will take you there so you can see a couple of example photos. Have fun searching through your 30-year old penny bag, no telling what kind of other treasures you have there! Let us know!

Struck Through Filled Die: The most common form of struck through, a cent that is struck though a filled die will have missing or weak design elements. Since that portion of the die is filled or clogged with grease or dirt, that portion of the design will not be struck on the coin. Although this can affect any portion of a coin, some of the more well-known instances in the Lincoln series are the 1922 “Weak D” cents, as well as some of the “no FG” cents.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/terminology-list-s/#Struck%20Through%20Filled%20Die

[makecents]

Welcome to the LCF David!! Very cool coin and a great example of a filled die!

[jfines69]

Welcome to the LCF... I'm with the others on the struck thru filled die... Nice pics and coin for a first post!!!

[TPring]

Welcome -- Jumped right in on your first post.

Interesting coin. Dramatic variety [missing the lettering].

[Petespockets55]

Welcome to the forum.
You'll learn a lot here. Really helpful group of people. (If I could only remember half the stuff they've taught me!)
One thing to keep in mind on most threads, an image of the reverse and obverse is usually really helpful for us.

[jfines69]

Welcome -- Jumped right in on your first post.

Interesting coin. Dramatic variety [missing the lettering].

I believe that from a technical stand point it is classified as an error... Does Happy Killmore strikes again

[DavidB]

Another struck thru filled die.
Here is one I have a question on1522634077797-46419133.jpg1522634077797-46419133.jpg
Here is a 1956 D that was wrapped alone inside my bag. It looks brand new and shiny.
The wheat stalks are great but Lincolns face and beard just look like globs of copper. It has a wire rim could that be an issue or maybe it just get abused on the obverse
Thaks, David

[VAB2013]

Okay, let's break this down into pieces. If someone else wrapped the 56D alone inside the bag, it was because it's a nice wheat cent and they didn't want it to get scratched. Also, if they had a magnifier they may have noticed that it has a RPM or possibly a doubled eye lid which is common for this year.

Where you are seeing the globs of copper at the face and beard, I think that appearance is from die wear but the guys may say it's something else. As the dies age certain details of the design begin to look mushy and faded. Let's see what the guys say for sure.

What you are saying about the wire rim, are you talking about around the edge of the coin? Please explain that for us.

The obverse was struck by a slightly misaligned die, see where IN and the L of Liberty is right at the edge of the coin. Here is the definition for misaligned die from our Glossary and a link to some photos.

Misaligned Die: This refers to a coin that was struck by dies that were not in correct position in relation to each other. A coin struck by a misaligned die can be determined by noting a difference in its relative centered-ness between the obverse and reverse of a coin. Below is an example of a cent struck by slightly misaligned dies. These do not command a premium unless the misalignment is severe enough to have part of the design cut off. Photos courtesy of historyhound.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/terminology-list-m/

[DavidB]

Hello VAB2VAB2013,
Yes I probably wrapped it some 30 to 40 years ago because it was shiny.
The bag is a collection of mine. The wire rim is a term out of and old coin book of mine.
It describes it as a tall edge on the rim of a coin most likely from to much pressure at minting.
The face of Lincoln on this coin to me just looks disproportionate, especially his chin seems to be
larger than normal . I believe your description of it being mushy or worn better wording than my description of it having globs . I have many coins to share with the Forum. And look forward to everything I get to learn from it. Thank you for your input.

[VAB2013]

Hello VAB2VAB2013,
Yes I probably wrapped it some 30 to 40 years ago because it was shiny.
The bag is a collection of mine. The wire rim is a term out of and old coin book of mine.
It describes it as a tall edge on the rim of a coin most likely from to much pressure at minting.
The face of Lincoln on this coin to me just looks disproportionate, especially his chin seems to be
larger than normal . I believe your description of it being mushy or worn better wording than my description of it having globs . I have many coins to share with the Forum. And look forward to everything I get to learn from it. Thank you for your input.

You are welcome David! Thank you for this information! So, now I get it, it's your bag of coins that you have saved for quite some time. That is really cool that you are diggin in and exploring what you have! I will be back later today and we will chat some more, but Jim and the rest of the gang here will chime in and discuss this with you! Have a great day, see ya later... Viv

[Petespockets55]

................. a tall edge on the rim of a coin most likely from to much pressure at minting............. especially his chin seems to belarger than normal . I believe your description of it being mushy or worn better wording than my description of it having globs . I have many coins to share with the Forum. And look forward to everything I get to learn from it. Thank you for your input.

Thanks for the images. Unfortunately some are saying "Invalid attachment" when trying to open and some are a little blurry when zooming in.
I could be wrong but your coin seems to have lots of sharp devices. The edge of his lapel is pronounced and not abraded away. Lettering at the rim seem to be fully struck and even. His chin being "larger" than normal and well defined.
This coupled with the "wire rim" determination from a higher than normal pressure seems to indicate to me that this one was struck early in the life of the die (EDS). I'm no pro so others may have a better understanding on it than I.

[jfines69]

It is a good idea to put different coins into their own threads... You will get more looks and comments that way and one of those different set of eyes looking at your coin may recognize what you have... If you like I can put your 56D and the related comments into it own thread!!!

[GrumpyEd]

Something else to think about is that 69 was a year when they changed the obverse design, it has much less relief and more detail.
The late date wheats are more like the 68 memorials, they have a lot of relief so the chin and beard look higher and there is less detail and a lot less beard detail so it looks like a big smooth blob.

Put the 69 in the thread next to the wheat and you can see how much they changed the obverse deign in 69, find a 68 cent and the obverse will look more like the wheat cent obverse.