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  • cliff_f
    #1

    Error Rotated Die | Or is it a double die?

    Here I have a 1972 s that is doubled. The main doubling is on the 1972 and the S. I have talked to a few different people. One told me that this IS a double die other say it is a common rotated die. Both people are long term collectors. What should I believe or what is it? Here are a few pictures.
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    • RWBILLER
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 6870
      #2
      hi
      cant tell to much with pictures - check coppercoins.com for the doubled dies for a 1972-s and compare yours with it.
      thx
      roger
      Roger
      ""Time and Tide wait for no man"

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        • jfines69
          Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 28848
          #3
          Can you get close ups of the MM, date and LIBERTY... The pics blur to much when zooming in to really tell!!!
          Jim
          (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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            • mustbebob
              Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
              • Jul 2008
              • 12758
              #4
              None of the others collectors you talked to are correct in what they call this coin. It is not a doubled die that I can see. Any time doubling affects both the date and mintmark on pre-1990 coins, it almost always is machine doubling (MD). The rotated die response is way out in left field somewhere. I can't tell for sure, but this die might have Master Die doubling on it, but that affects the motto, date, and LIBERTY. It also affects about 60% of all cents minted that year, so there is no premium associated with it.
              Bob Piazza
              Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                • cliff_f
                  #5
                  I will get a good close up of it. My tripod is in a box somewhere so I was free handing the picture with my macro lens and it was really hard to get a really good pic. I will find that tripod.

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                    • jcuve
                      Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 15458
                      #6
                      Pretty sure I see both master die doubling and some southerly machine doubling on the date...



                      Jason Cuvelier

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                        • cliff_f
                          #7
                          Here is a picture i cropped down maybe this will help.
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                            • mustbebob
                              Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 12758
                              #8
                              It is definitely machine doubling Cliff.
                              Bob Piazza
                              Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                                • kloccwork419
                                  Banned
                                  • Sep 2008
                                  • 6800
                                  #9
                                  I see MD on the date LIBERTY and the ear.

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                                    • MintyFresh
                                      #10
                                      Learning Exercise

                                      Jason, I see what you see on the date, and taken with Bob's comments i would concur about the master die doubling, but what exactly are you seeing in the photo of LIBERTY? It is kida small for me.


                                      Originally posted by jcuve
                                      Pretty sure I see both master die doubling and some southerly machine doubling on the date...

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                                        • coin-crazy
                                          Banned
                                          • Nov 2010
                                          • 1181
                                          #11
                                          Well keep searching,there are many 1972s to be found.For some reason I collect all 72s..

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