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[Guest]

Is this what is called die trails. and also on the reverse side the fg looks wierd.DSC02720.jpg

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[DoubleYou]

No, that's simply evidence that your coin is a zinc and not a copper.

[Steven]

Here is an photo example of die trails I had handy showing to the NW of the letters in LIBERTY. Hope this helps.

http://traildies.com/ is a great place to learn about trail dies.

[jcuve]

Seeing trails depends on where the light is located. Most people have their lights low (relative to the fields) while searching to catch the trails. Here is an example of a minor DDO and trails (both on LIBERTY):

[DoubleYou]

Hey Jason, that die is interesting to me. We have a doubled die spread south-southwest and we have trails extending south-southwest. It seems to me then that a probable explanation for trails would be pressure that leaks down off the weak parts of the letters when a hub indirectly smacks the die at an angle. Like in this case, the die snapping back southwards creating a shock that created trail lines continuing out the weak parts of the letters southwards.

[jcuve]

It is an interesting specimen Wendel. I think the prevailing thoughts are single squeeze DDs occur toward the beginning of the hubbing process whereas the trails are toward the end (at least that is where BJ's hypothesis plays out now).

[DoubleYou]

So, toward the beginning of the hubbing process the innitial doubling, then the snap, the settle (the primary image), and then the trail, all resultant of a tilt snapping back into alignment, or in the cases where the doubling part (most cases) is skipped, simply the slight tug before kiss, the settle, and then the trail.

[jcuve]

While I am over simplifying, BJ suggests it is after the hubbing whilst the hub rests upon the die and due to a movement caused by thermal expansion or contraction that design elements are drug across the die face thereby creating trails.

[DoubleYou]

I've always considered the direct correlation between tilted hub doubled dies and trails. We have die trails coming off Liberty in 1964 pennies. We have tilted hub doubled dies involving the L of Liberty. We have many many tilted hub doubled dies in the single-squeeze age. We have many more trail dies in the single-squeeze age. The coin you illustrate demonstrates a remarkable coincidence of tilted hub doubling and trails affecting the same design elements in linear relation (continue the lines of the trails northward and they will practically form triangles in the notched areas due to hub doubling). The tilted hub is theorized to have hit the image north than snapped southward to the primary position. After smacking the primary position, it would make sense that the force continued to travel due to the horizontal movement of the snap southward, creating trails. Seems logical to me. Maybe your thermal expansion is the same thing as my force, as my force would contain heat, and your heat would contain force, both trailing southwards. But it's late and I need to rest my head.