Error Other | Retained cud or die crack? Better pics.

[Jacob]

Papascoins took some better photos of the coin for me. So the question is retained cud or die crack.

[seal006]

Looks like that piece is about to break off.

[Maineman750]

A retained cud is a rim to rim die crack,so both answers are technically correct.

[mustbebob]

I may be wrong, but I was led to understand that a rim to rim die crack in not necessarily a retained cud. I believe there has to be an issue with the level of the anomaly, like a bi-level area that shows the die actually broke. As I said, I might be incorrect and this is probably something left to Mike Diamond, BJ Neff or Jason.

[coop]

Retained cuds the devices are starting to bread away from the die. Here is an example. It is minor but look at the outside edge of the left wheat stalk:

[Maineman750]

I may be wrong, but I was led to understand that a rim to rim die crack in not necessarily a retained cud. I believe there has to be an issue with the level of the anomaly, like a bi-level area that shows the die actually broke. As I said, I might be incorrect and this is probably something left to Mike Diamond, BJ Neff or Jason.

There was something nagging me when I answered...and that was it.

[mikediamond]

I would characterize the defect on the 1943 cent as an arcing rim-to-rim die crack (otherwise known as a "pre-cud" die crack). It only displays lateral spread. A retained cud should show vertical displacement or horizontal offset. Both are indicators that the die fragment may have detached and was moving around. They're far from perfect indicators, especially when the displacement is slight, but they're the best we've got. Only when the vertical displacement or horizontal offset is enormous can we be confident that the die fragment was truly detached.