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  • trails
    Moderator, Error Expert
    • Feb 2008
    • 3358

    #1

    Error CUD | Time for your thinking caps!

    I have two modern tokens both with cuds. One has the normal one strike, while the other was struck three times (assisted error).

    The QUESTION. Why does the cud appear only once on the triple struck token?

    BJ Neff
    Attached Files
    ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"
  • Scott99
    Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 2068

    #2
    I'm going to assume it's because there's no raised metal to fill the void after the first strike.

    Technically it is still there but it just has the previous strikes design in the void.
    Matthew Sallee

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    • georoxx

      #3
      I'm going to say that it (the CUD) was obliterated during strikes 2 and 3 and replaced with design elements.

      -George
      Last edited by Guest; 02-10-2014, 05:46 PM. Reason: HATE typos

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      • liveandievarieties
        TPG & Market Expert
        • Feb 2011
        • 6049

        #4
        I'm going to say there was no collar die holding the rim in place which would cause the extrusion of metal in the area of the missing portion of the die (the CUD). Triple strike was first struck in collar, then out twice.
        [B][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=2]Chris & Charity Welch- [COLOR=red]LIVEAN[/COLOR][COLOR=black]DIE[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]VARIETIES[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]
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        • coppy

          #5
          Agree with Scott... during the first strike the coin's field area was pushed down, and on subsequent strikes there was no metal to fill the broken die.

          But what I don't understand is... on the third strike, how did the bust design get imprinted on the field where there is no raised metal ?
          Last edited by Guest; 02-10-2014, 08:39 AM.

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          • Roller
            Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 6975

            #6
            The excess metal having been "squeezed" out as a cud in the first strike, the second and third strike are on a thinner planchet area and there is no more to "squeeze" out.

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            • Maineman750
              Administrator

              • Apr 2011
              • 12071

              #7
              I'm with Chris.
              https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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              • Arjohn
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 828

                #8
                First strike is to the rim -- die is broken and the area left blank. Second strike you can see the space of the missing dies at the junction of the open area of the broken die and the underlying strike. The third is another strike like the second, the die is broken where the CUD shows on the initial, but being gone, allows the strike underneath to be seen....
                ArJohn

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                • copperlover

                  #9
                  I will go with the first reply by Mat.

                  Lucien

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                  • Roller
                    Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 6975

                    #10
                    Is there a devilish reason why you did not post a picture of the reverse BJ?

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                    • kloccwork419
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 6800

                      #11
                      Yep..agree with chris. Was gonna type it but noticed im late

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                      • trails
                        Moderator, Error Expert
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 3358

                        #12
                        I believe that Roller had the best answer. The first strike had what is called "cold metal flow". The collar restricted this cold metal flow allowing the extra metal to fill into the broken area of the die. The second and third strikes were outside the collar and on a thinner disc of metal (the struck coin is thinner than the original planchet). So, little to no cold metal flow occurred during the second and third strikes (though there is slight bulging where each of the off center strikes terminate).

                        There was nothing sinister about the reverse, I just did not include an image. But, here it is.

                        BJ Neff
                        Attached Files
                        ANA, CCC, CONECA, FUN, Fly-In-Club, NLG & "The Error-Variety Education Consortium"

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                        • cimperialis
                          Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1968

                          #13
                          Thanks for the puzzle, BJ. These are fun exercises for the brain. I completely misinterpreted the original question, lol.
                          -Sean
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