Error CUD | 1986P - Begining of CUD or what?

[jay4202472000]

This is an odd chip that adjoins the rim, but doesn't meld into the rim. It is roughly the same height as the rim, if not a tad higher. It has a die crack, that contains a small chip, which leaves the west side and traverses the bottom of the bust. Is this considered a small, odd shaped CUD, or is it a large chip/small break, that just happens to be unbelieveably close to the rim? I'm sur it turned into a nice CUD if the die was used a while longer.

[jallengomez]

Looks like a die chip, but the color around it makes me wonder. Also the fact that there seems to be some zinc exposed and a missing chunk of the design rim.

[Peter]

Not a cud -- there is no displacement and it does not start on the rim.

[GrumpyEd]

To me the 3rd and 4th pics look very different.
I think it's not a cud.
It might be damage that lifted a section then something flattened it.
It looks like something dug into the zinc and lifted a section up.
Unless the pics are making it look different there's an area missing, a CUD does not explain that, if that area is damage where a hit dug in and lifted the area next to it then that's what it is.

[mikediamond]

It's definitely a die break. Whether you want to call it a die chip or a cud is up to you. Since it's connected to the rim, it could be considered a cud. But since the die's rim gutter is still intact, you might want to call it a die chip. It sort of straddles the definitions.

[jay4202472000]

The 3rd & 4th image are from opposite lighting angle. I took them so the light would shine on each side of the chip. That was my problem Mike. It touches the rim, but the gutter is still intact. Here are a couple angled images so you can see how tall it is.

[JC Stevens]

Before Mike chimed in I thought it was a drop solder because of the dark burn areas near the raise metal area. Also what looks like heat spots on the coin.

[willbrooks]

Before Mike chimed in I thought it was a drop solder because of the dark burn areas near the raise metal area. Also what looks like heat spots on the coin.

I also thought (or should I say think) it is certainly possible that it is a foreign substance on the coin. I agree it is most likely a chip, but we seen stuff on cents that takes on the cent's color. Good post, 2Old.

[jallengomez]

What makes me think this could be a chip is the obvious die break and small chip along the bottom of the bust that connects to the area in question. What still makes me doubt this is the small area of the rim where the zinc appears to show and where it looks like an incuse dig into the rim. Here's a photo with the area I'm questioning. A die chip would not carve out an adjacent incuse area of the design rim.

[jfines69]

I agree with 2Old and Will... It looks as if it may be a piece of copper solder... The same solder used on copper tubing used in air conditioner units... It appears to have heat damage and the copper solder drop could explain the exposed zinc!!!

[GrumpyEd]

What still makes me doubt this is the small area of the rim where the zinc appears to show and where it looks like an incuse dig into the rim. Here's a photo with the area I'm questioning. A die chip would not carve out an adjacent incuse area of the design rim.

That's what I question, it looks like something dug into the zinc and lifted that area.

[mikediamond]

The copper plating simply split due to the added stress. I've seen this effect associated with other die breaks, large and small.

[jfines69]

So much for my theory I will go with Mike Diamond!!!

[willbrooks]

So much for my theory I will go with Mike Diamond!!!

So your strategy is just to agree with everyone?
I like it.

After another look, I think that since the blue (exposed zinc) also appears on TOP of the raised potion, that my earlier suggestion was unfounded in this particular case. Therefore, I agree with Jim, that everyone except for myself and partially Jerry, is correct, excepting for when I made the caveat about agreeing with Mike and 73% of what Jody said, most of which Ed also half supported.

[enamel7]

You had me convinced at "after" Will!