Error CUD | 1940-S Reverse Retained cud with vertical displacement

[duece2seven]

!! LMAO!! Those of you familiar with my skill level concerning errors and varieties are probably holding your gut laughing at my use of a title with so many big words! I'm taking a shot by throwing a dart at the error definition dartboard and hoping it sticks. Truthfully, I have no friggin clue, just guessin! Cool coin either way.

[willbrooks]

I think you did a good job describing the error; however, at the rim, there appears to be no displacement, so I wonder if this die break was lifting but still attached at the rim. I believe this is the case on many of the listed retained cuds, however. Good job, Tracy. All that studying is sticking!

[duece2seven]

I think you did a good job describing the error; however, at the rim, there appears to be no displacement, so I wonder if this die break was lifting but still attached at the rim. I believe this is the case on many of the listed retained cuds. Good job, Tracy. All that studying is sticking!

Thanks, Will. I must admit this error thing is quite intriguing. Kind of a bonus whilst searching varieties. WAAAAY more study intense though. The more I search the more I realize the importance of truly understanding how these things occur.

[jfines69]

You are dead on with the date and MM Will may be correct on the retained cud but I believe that with the circ wear it may be to difficult to be certain... Nice find and I would say one hundred and eighty on your dart round

[mustbebob]

This one may be identified already. Have you checked the site yet?

http://cuds-on-coins.com/

[duece2seven]

[QUOTE=mustbebob;269801]This one may be identified already. Have you checked the site yet?
http://cuds-on-coins.com/[/QUOTE

I had no idea cuds were so extensively researched! Unbelievable stuff. Thanks. I think I see one there as well.

[onecent1909]

OK... I have not studied these at all....
with a cud the area on the die is missing.... so the metal on the struck coin is raised.
with a Retained cud that area is also raised... This would mean on the die it is sunk in....
how does the metal remove itself from under the retrained die so that it drops down?
I have now confused myself....am I missing something?

[mustbebob]

It is not a matter of metal missing, but rather the broken piece is loose enough so that it shifts a bit with the immense striking pressure. The pressure during the strike could cause the broken piece to slide a tiny bit down on the shaft of the die, and that would account for the raised portion on the struck coin. There really isn't much movement, and since the coin is confined in the collar, that would limit it also. It gets worse until the whole thing just breaks apart and falls out which leads to the full cud.

[onecent1909]

That is it... it slides down the shaft... I was thinking about the center of the die so bellow it .. it would have no way of going down....but on the side where the cud would be... it would fall down...
perfect answer.. thank you

[mustbebob]

You're welcome. Glad that my explanation made sense