Error Lamination | Possible pre-strike lamination?

[jay4202472000]

I don't think I have an example of a pre-strike lamination. Could this be one? I don't have any concrete diagnostics to go on. Error-ref.com only has the definition so far. There are no diagnostics or images, so I'm going on what I think would constitute a loss before the strike. I think the devices may be a little weak, due to the void in the planchet, but should be more "crisp" and not as distorted as a loss after strike. The P in EPU shows the most distortion, followed by NIT & F in USA. The C in cent looks almost perfect, but none look as distorted as my other detached lams. What do y'all think?

[Roller]

I think it's definitely pre strike error but not sure it is a lam. The surface seems too smooth. Could also be some other damage to the planchet or blank before the strike..

[jallengomez]

Definitely a lamination, but I'm inclined to say post-strike given the weakness and blurriness in some of the smaller devices.

[mustbebob]

I would agree that this is a post strike lamination peel.

[jay4202472000]

I'll keep looking for pre-strike. Thanks fellas!

[jfines69]

That is a nice lamination peel... Since laminations like woodies are a product of an improper alloy mix I would think that all laminations are pre-strike and the peeling occurs for the most part after the strike???

[mikediamond]

I don't know if this violates policy, but I've got a pre-strike lamination now on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/28199512573

[jay4202472000]

Jim, I was referring to peeling before the strike.

Mike, the link didn't work for me. I'm probably not looking to buy, but I would love to see one to know what to look for. I also have a misaligned die with tilted partial collar that I have some questions about. TRUST is slightly falling over the rim. I'll try to get some images later. I can't remember what my questions were. Should come back to me when I dig it out.

[mikediamond]

Oops, dropped the last digit. Here it is again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/281995125737

[jfines69]

That is a cool looking coin Mike... Thanks!!!

[jfines69]

Jim, I was referring to peeling before the strike.

Mike, the link didn't work for me. I'm probably not looking to buy, but I would love to see one to know what to look for. I also have a misaligned die with tilted partial collar that I have some questions about. TRUST is slightly falling over the rim. I'll try to get some images later. I can't remember what my questions were. Should come back to me when I dig it out.

Ok... I wasn't sure??? Your other coin sounds cool also... Don't worry about memory issues... Now what were we talking about

[jay4202472000]

I agree Jim. That brockage is just plain cool too...and the weakly struck nickel...and the dime missing some clad layer.

[Roller]

I don't know if this violates policy, but I've got a pre-strike lamination now on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/28199512573

Of course your coin is a "retained" pre strike lamination. I'm somewhat confused with the terminology. What would a condition where the lamination peeled off the blank before the proto rim is formed and then struck as a coin be called? And what would it look like? I always assumed (apparently wrongfully) that when the term pre strike lamination is used it meant the latter (lamination falling off before the strike) and not the former "retained pre strike lamination".

[mikediamond]

If a very thin lamination flake spalls off the surface of a blank or planchet before the strike, then the exposed area will probably be erased by the strike. Areas exposed by the loss of a thicker flake will retain their striated texture and the area on both faces will show a weaker strike.

If a very thin lamination flake enters the striking chamber alone, it will probably emerge untouched as it will likely fall below the minimum die clearance. Thicker flakes would most likely be labeled "struck fragment".

[Roller]

Thanks. I think I know what to look for next time.