1953 S unusual die crack mm

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  • dinkyblue
    Member
    • May 2015
    • 1285

    #1

    Error Die Crack | 1953 S unusual die crack mm

    This 1953 S has a die crack right across the mint mark, and something in the 9 in the date not sure what it is. Also, is there a site that deals with or has listing for die cracks? Thank you.......................... dinkyblue
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  • jfines69
    Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 28848

    #2
    Interesting crack... The upper serif appears to have shifted which should make it a Retained Interior Die Break (RIDB)... Maybe you should PM BJ (trails) or JC (2Old)... As for the 9 I see what appears to be a hit just south of the metal which makes me think it is displaced metal from a hit!!!
    Jim
    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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    • dinkyblue
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      • May 2015
      • 1285

      #3
      That's more than likely what it is, the metal in the 9 in the date looked to be a distinct shape maybe part of the 5 or something like that. I know that happens once in awhile on some coins. I think it is always a good idea to get other views. The die crack almost looks like a dollar sign, I found it quite interesting. Thanks for your help...............Dan

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      • jfines69
        Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 28848

        #4
        I think the metal came off the 9... Looks like it was peeled up directly along the crack (I think that is part of the crack???) and folded up and over... I am still interested in what BJ or JC would think of the MM... That sure looks like a shift???
        Jim
        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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        • willbrooks
          Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

          • Jan 2012
          • 9477

          #5
          Originally posted by jfines69
          I think the metal came off the 9... Looks like it was peeled up directly along the crack (I think that is part of the crack???) and folded up and over... I am still interested in what BJ or JC would think of the MM... That sure looks like a shift???
          I definitely see the shift you are referencing, but I'm not sure you can qualify as an RIDB unless the crack loops back on itself. Maybe I am wrong about that.
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          • jfines69
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            • Jun 2010
            • 28848

            #6
            Originally posted by willbrooks
            I definitely see the shift you are referencing, but I'm not sure you can qualify as an RIDB unless the crack loops back on itself. Maybe I am wrong about that.
            That's why I hope BJ chimes in... I do not see any other cracking either!!!
            Jim
            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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            • JC Stevens
              Paid Member

              • Feb 2011
              • 1104

              #7
              I don't think it can be called a RIDB.
              I do not know of a site the covers Die Crack other than Spike Heads on the COC site.

              I did look this Die Crack up In the 1969 edition of “THE CLASSIFICATION AND VALUE OF ERRORS ON THE LINCOLN
              CENT” by Jean Cohen. It is not listed in the "MISCELLANEOUS ERRORS ON THE DATE" section.

              JC
              Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that comes from bad judgment.

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              • jfines69
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                • Jun 2010
                • 28848

                #8
                Thanks JC... Appreciate the input... One of those miscellaneous errors!!!
                Jim
                (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                • dinkyblue
                  Member
                  • May 2015
                  • 1285

                  #9
                  Thanks for the help on this die crack error, I thought it was an unusual place for a die crack, right across the MM. .........................Dan

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                  • jay4202472000
                    Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 1346

                    #10
                    I believe this would be classified as a bi-level die crack. Take a look: http://www.error-ref.com/bi-level_die_cracks_/

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                    • jfines69
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 28848

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jay4202472000
                      I believe this would be classified as a bi-level die crack. Take a look: http://www.error-ref.com/bi-level_die_cracks_/
                      I think you nailed it... Looks like a good call to me!!!
                      Jim
                      (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                      • dinkyblue
                        Member
                        • May 2015
                        • 1285

                        #12
                        I'm happy to find a site to look things like this up. Error-ref.com, I'ts on my desktop now. Thank you Jay, for taking your time to look at this coin. I would have never known anymore about it without your help. Now I can put it in a flip protector and mark it bi-level die crack, that's a new one for me. Thanks again.................Dan

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                        • dinkyblue
                          Member
                          • May 2015
                          • 1285

                          #13
                          Guess that's why I like this site so much, my learning curve just keeps going up. Thanks.........................Dan

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                          • dinkyblue
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                            • May 2015
                            • 1285

                            #14
                            I was wondering if these "bi level die cracks" have a value? or are they just good for collecting? Thanks.........................dinkyblue

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                            • jfines69
                              Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 28848

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dinkyblue
                              I was wondering if these "bi level die cracks" have a value? or are they just good for collecting? Thanks.........................dinkyblue
                              I like keeping the strange ones like this... I find them interesting... There are some that collect the cracks especially if they can find a series that shows the progression during the die life... As for value I could not hazard a guess???
                              Jim
                              (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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