Error Planchet | 1924 Strait clip

[stoneman227]

This is a "pick" from Ebay , that is if I'm correct it's a clip. The seller was listing all kinds of chips and filled letters but made no mention of anything on this coin.
Not much Blakesley effect is evident but the fading of the rim as it approaches the clip sold me. Plus it was only two bucks shipped , so no big loss. Opinions on the clip ?

John

[Maineman750]

I'm no error guy, but the different look from obverse to reverse on the straight part seems strange....not sure what to think.

[GrumpyEd]

The thing that looks hard to explain is on the reverse, the raised upset part of the rim vanishes at an inward angle.
By strange, I mean that I can't explain how that would look this way unless it was from the mint but my first impression was that it was fake because it has a little raised area on both sides like build up from filing. I'd think on a real clip the die is still there so nothing can be raised there so that's what makes me suspect it was filed.

So I'm unsure but think it was filed but that angled thing on the upset on the reverse might help solve it if someone can explain it.

[Roller]

I do not see that to be a clip. In addition to what has been mentioned there is no Blakesley effect opposite the clip. And a clip that size should have produced one.

[grnwavdav]

The weakness of the 4 seems to support a genuine clip but I am not able to confidently say for certain outside that observation.

[jfines69]

I zoomed and and the 4 while it looks weak appears to rise toward the SE as if from die wear same on the rev... Also on the obv there appears to be a remnant of the rim between the 4 and edge of the coin... The rev rim looks more like it was cut at an angle back toward the edge instead of the slope normally seen on a clip... I would have to say filed also... Then again I am not a pro!!!

[Petespockets55]

I do not see that to be a clip. In addition to what has been mentioned there is no Blakesley effect opposite the clip. And a clip that size should have produced one.

I agree about the missing Blakesly. None evident either side opposite the "clip".
Also on the reverse, the "extra metal" along the straight edge looks to be residual from grinding or cutting the coin. I do not believe this "extra metal" would survive the pressure exerted by the hammer die.

[jallengomez]

Looks good to me. The edge diagnostics for straight clips is not the same as for curved clips and there is no problem with the lack of the Blakesley effect. Interestingly enough, the larger the clip the less the likelihood of the Blakesley effect because the force of the strike is concentrated on a smaller planchet and the design rim can overcome the absence of the proto-rim.

[Petespockets55]

Looks good to me. The edge diagnostics for straight clips is not the same as for curved clips and there is no problem with the lack of the Blakesley effect. Interestingly enough, the larger the clip the less the likelihood of the Blakesley effect because the force of the strike is concentrated on a smaller planchet and the design rim can overcome the absence of the proto-rim.

That is interesting, but what about the metal on the reverse along the edge even being there, as well as not being affected by the strike? That extra metal imitates what is left behind after a grinder or belt sander is used on the edge of the metal being worked. (I've had to sharpen a broken chisel with a belt sander.) Thanks in advance.

[GrumpyEd]

That angle on the raised upset part of the rim vanishes at an inward angle, I don't see how that could be caused outside the mint without mangling the UM of unum. The weak 4 also looks like a good sign.

The thing that makes it look fake to me is the raised stuff that looks like it might be from filing. But, maybe being thin there and having no rim let circulation/use over time cause the raised area there.

Still not sure either way but the angles and weak 4 make me want to see if one of the pros can verify if it's real.

[stoneman227]

I zoomed and and the 4 while it looks weak appears to rise toward the SE as if from die wear same on the rev... Also on the obv there appears to be a remnant of the rim between the 4 and edge of the coin... The rev rim looks more like it was cut at an angle back toward the edge instead of the slope normally seen on a clip... I would have to say filed also... Then again I am not a pro!!!

Jim , here is a closer pic of the 4 and some pics of a strait clip I have. If this ends up being deemed a strait / ragged clip , what looks like die wear could be the metal pull that happens to design elements that are close to the clip as can be seen on my 81 dime .

John

[GrumpyEd]

Great pics, still have a feeling that the inward angle on the raised upset part of the rim (on rev of the cent) is a diagnostic that can help answer it. On the dime it has something similar above the B.

[jfines69]

Thanks for those follow up photos... With the closeup of the 4 I see it has taken a hit... That explains what I thought I saw in the full obv... I also see what appears to be the angled cut back appearance on the dime near the B on the obv... On the close up of the 4 I also see what appears to be flow lines similar to the dime as I would expect when the Blakesly effect is weak or missing... I think the circ wear is really giving me a hard time that and my lack of knowledge of clips... With the new photos, that presents new evidence, I will change my previous thought to a Straight Clip!!!

[stoneman227]

Jim , thanks for looking !
On the 4 , instead of a hit , I think it's exhibiting similar distorted characteristics that the letters on the dime show. This is simply caused by there not being enough coin metal to fill the die.

John

[jfines69]

Jim , thanks for looking !
On the 4 , instead of a hit , I think it's exhibiting similar distorted characteristics that the letters on the dime show. This is simply caused by there not being enough coin metal to fill the die.

John

That could be what it is... To be the west side of the angled bar looks like it got hit... The pits in the surface could be giving my eyeballs problems tho!!!