Strange Saddle Strike with Hump

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  • BarryG
    Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 185

    #1

    Error Multiple Strikes | Strange Saddle Strike with Hump

    This is the first time I have seen this anomaly on any off center or saddle strike. I have done some research and have not found any explanation for the incused cliff marks on both sides. Is this an Intra-Strike damage maybe caused by ejection pieces, or something to do with the die or collar? Also interesting to note that the reverse die break actually continues over the cliff. Any help greatly appreciated.
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  • jfines69
    Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 28848

    #2
    That is cool looking... This is one for Mike Diamond to take a look at!!!
    Jim
    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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    • Maineman750
      Administrator

      • Apr 2011
      • 12079

      #3
      Originally posted by jfines69
      That is cool looking... This is one for Mike Diamond to take a look at!!!
      You can do that by sending him a PM...he is a member here
      https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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      • jfines69
        Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 28848

        #4
        Originally posted by Maineman750
        You can do that by sending him a PM...he is a member here
        You are correct... I totally zoned out on that... Thanks!!!
        Jim
        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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        • jallengomez
          Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 4447

          #5
          The only thing I can think of is the strike caught the very tip of a feeder finger. That's a wag though.
          “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

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          • stoneman227
            Member
            • Jun 2012
            • 2086

            #6
            Your last pic showes the TE of STATES and looking at the other pics , is on the same side of the coin as the bust of Lincoln. That would make this a flipped over double struck coin instead of saddle struck. It's a good chance it did catch the feeder fingers when the coin flipped between strikes.

            John

            PS
            I'm going to disagree with myself . What I thought was a E in the last pic appears to start turning down which would make it the R of TRUST. A saddle strike is back in play though I still agree with the feeder fingers.
            Last edited by stoneman227; 01-27-2017, 05:13 AM.
            So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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            • GrumpyEd
              Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 7229

              #7
              Some coins that I thought were saddle struck experts said they were not.
              I'd think there is a set distance between saddle dies that might rule them out but I've never seen it specified.
              It would be a good fact to add to the glossary if anyone knows what it is.

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              • Maineman750
                Administrator

                • Apr 2011
                • 12079

                #8
                Originally posted by GrumpyEd
                Some coins that I thought were saddle struck experts said they were not.
                I'd think there is a set distance between saddle dies that might rule them out but I've never seen it specified.
                It would be a good fact to add to the glossary if anyone knows what it is.
                I believe the distance varies depending on the time period....not sure I've ever seen that info in print
                https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                • BarryG
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 185

                  #9
                  PS
                  I'm going to disagree with myself . What I thought was a E in the last pic appears to start turning down which would make it the R of TRUST. A saddle strike is back in play though I still agree with the feeder fingers.[/QUOTE]

                  Your are correct. Under the scope it is the T and R of TRUST. I would not think feeder fingers would make such a deep cut but not sure.

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                  • stoneman227
                    Member
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 2086

                    #10
                    No matter if this coin is a saddle strike or double struck , it was way out of the position it should have been in when the feeder fingers swooped in to extract it . I imagine were the coin in the path of the fingers , quite a bit of damage could occur.

                    John
                    So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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                    • jfines69
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 28848

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Maineman750
                      I believe the distance varies depending on the time period....not sure I've ever seen that info in print
                      Pre or post horseless carriage
                      Jim
                      (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                      • jfines69
                        Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 28848

                        #12
                        Looking at the images again the end opposite the devices looks as if it could be a clipped planchet... That could have caused the strange damage to the other edge as the metal flowed toward the clip... A strange Blakesly Effect???
                        Jim
                        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                        • BarryG
                          Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 185

                          #13
                          It did not come out real clear in the photo, but it is a small second strike that includes part of the leters T an R in TRUST on the OBV and nothing on the REV.

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                          • jfines69
                            Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 28848

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BarryG
                            It did not come out real clear in the photo, but it is a small second strike that includes part of the leters T an R in TRUST on the OBV and nothing on the REV.
                            Please disregard my previous post I see what you are talking about... I think the 1st pic thru me but I do see in the 2nd pic that it is not clipped... Thanks for the follow up!!!
                            Jim
                            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                            • mikediamond
                              Paid Member, Error Expert

                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1104

                              #15
                              This is indeed a saddle strike. The disruptions in the slide zone of the larger strike reflect the presence of chips or damage to the edge of the die. Such die damage is actually rather common on off-center strikes.

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