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  • Frank
    Member
    • Aug 2016
    • 1553

    #1

    Error CUD | Rim CUD?

    Found this 1990 with what looks to me to be somewhat of a proto-CUD. It's definitely not a hit, and it touches the rim on both ends.

    Or would there be some other term I haven't heard of for one of these?



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  • VAB2013
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    • Nov 2013
    • 12351

    #2
    Something is making me think... it's not. There seems to be too much space at the edge of the coin, or maybe it's the photo. Could it be some kind of die dent? Dang it... I hope I am wrong, I know how hard it is to find a cud!!!

    Edit... it's that second photo, maybe the light??

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    • jfines69
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 28848

      #3
      To me it looks as if that area was abraded... I see lines that run up across the field and up on to the edge... I do not see any thing that looks as if it cracked and chipped out to make it a cud... Could be the mint was trying to prevent a cud, due to damage, and ground that area of the die down!!!
      Jim
      (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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      • Frank
        Member
        • Aug 2016
        • 1553

        #4
        OK gonna see if I can get better shots of it in a few. Need a coffee I.V. STAT!
        "And he will tell you, skill is late — A Mightier than He —
        Has ministered before Him — There's no Vitality."

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        • Frank
          Member
          • Aug 2016
          • 1553

          #5
          Four hours later...the Crazy Coin Man finally gets a moment to take some pics!!

          Hope these help clear up a few things.

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          "And he will tell you, skill is late — A Mightier than He —
          Has ministered before Him — There's no Vitality."

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          • VAB2013
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            • Nov 2013
            • 12351

            #6
            Well Frank... it doesn't look like a rim cud to me. But, I am leaning toward it's a cud. Curious to see what the other guys say!

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            • Frank
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              • Aug 2016
              • 1553

              #7
              I still like the term I made up..."Proto-Cud".

              Thanx for taking a look, Viv!
              "And he will tell you, skill is late — A Mightier than He —
              Has ministered before Him — There's no Vitality."

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              • jfines69
                Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 28848

                #8
                How did the Caffeine Drip go??? Still see the abrasions so I am leaning toward the repaired damage theory... By the way your first set of pics were fine... I
                think Vivien needs a new pair of glasses or more coffee Thanks for the follow up pics the first set really did have a little to much glare but it wouldn't be me if I didn't pick on some one
                Jim
                (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                • VAB2013
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                  • Nov 2013
                  • 12351

                  #9
                  Can I ask this... the third photo down, it looks like maybe the rim took a hit. Could that hit have something to do with it?

                  LOL... Jim, no doubt my eyes are not the greatest and I ALWAYS need more coffee!

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                  • jfines69
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 28848

                    #10
                    It does appear a little flat across the top and that could explain why there are no visible abrasions in that area... There is never enough coffee for me and we all know about my eye sight
                    Jim
                    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                    • uglycent
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 1386

                      #11
                      I believe that there was a nice even hit to the rim. Thee improved pictures show a nice straight area on the rim. I could probably reproduce the look by experimenting with various drops of a tap with a hammer to move the copper/zinc. Also a picture blends in the rim where ever slightly flattens out.
                      Even a fool can look wise if he keeps his mouth closed.

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                      • Frank
                        Member
                        • Aug 2016
                        • 1553

                        #12
                        Thanks, y'all!

                        I do see the flatter part now. Gah...still means my 1st cud is yet to be found!
                        "And he will tell you, skill is late — A Mightier than He —
                        Has ministered before Him — There's no Vitality."

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                        • jfines69
                          Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 28848

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frank
                          Thanks, y'all!

                          I do see the flatter part now. Gah...still means my 1st cud is yet to be found!
                          Don't fret Grass Hopper... Before you know it the Force will be with you
                          Jim
                          (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                          • stoneman227
                            Member
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 2086

                            #14
                            I'm thinking this was damage to the die. I see tje flat area of the rim but it does not seem lower than the rest of the rim as if the coin tiok a hit. The lines Jim mentioned look to be flow lines and not abrasions so after tje die took a hit these lines developed from striking coins.
                            You should check the obverse of this coin for die dents.

                            John
                            So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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