Error Other | 1960D CAPPED DIE?

[BarryG]

I need some help on this one. I think it might be a late stage die cap. Interesting it is done on both sides but still has full rims. Weight and diameter are right. Thanks for looking.

[ERRORCENTS]

WOWSER!!!!!.....I had this coin awhile back while I was going through my bricks from the bank....I live in Pennsylvania, and when I was looking at this coin it appeared to me as a dryer coin or something else....You say capped die, I really do not think it is a capped die, only because if it where a capped die you would not see the obverse at all....It would be different......let see what others think, and also it just really go's to show you how far coins travel.....Also we are not that far from each other holy heck!!!.....

Patrick

[Roller]

To begin with, a capped die would not affect both obverse and reverse of a coin. Second, it would not affect the devices only. Finally, it is post mint damage.

[enamel7]

Roller said what I was thinking! Sorry.

[BarryG]

The fact that both sides are damaged bothered me as well. Any idea how this was damaged without affecting the rims. Seems like I've seen this before on LCF but can't find it.

[onecent1909]

The devices being fat makes it look like a DRYER COIN but the rims are not effected

[jfines69]

That is cool looking... I also think it is a dryer coin just not 100% sure tho... I would also expect the rims to be affect more especially how deep the areas affected are... If not a dryer coin then I still think PSD of some sort... Have you sent a PM to Mike Diamond???

[GrumpyEd]

It's PMD, like a dryer coin or repeatedly beaten by something. Maybe it was in a hole or a bezel that saved the rim while it was beaten.

[BarryG]

I will send a PM to Mike. Any idea what would of caused some of the raised metal around the letters, especially on LIBER?

[Petespockets55]

And wouldn't the diameter be larger with a die cap since there is no collar die to contain the planchet to Mint specs?

[mikediamond]

As others have said, both faces of this coin were pummeled into mush outside the Mint. It's not an error.

[willbrooks]

Dryer Coin: A coin that has been extremely damaged outside of the mint by being repeatedly hit, similar to what would happen to it if it tumbled around in a dryer or similar device. In an actual dryer, the heat would soften the metal increasing the damage.

[GrumpyEd]

And wouldn't the diameter be larger with a die cap since there is no collar die to contain the planchet to Mint specs?

Not to confuse stuff, it's damaged and not a die-cap or struck through a capped die.

Just to explain it, you were thinking it was struck through a capped die (a mushy distorted coin), that would be in a collar.
The one that's not in a collar is the actual die-cap, (it's like a bottle cap stuck on the die) nothing like this coin.

[mustbebob]

And wouldn't the diameter be larger with a die cap since there is no collar die to contain the planchet to Mint specs?

The diameter would not be larger. A capped die would still strike another coin within the collar. Since a coin is stuck to the hammer die, it would continue striking subsequent coins until it either falls off, wears off or is removed.

This coin has just been beat to death. There is no mystery, just damage.

[BarryG]

This coin has just been beat to death. There is no mystery, just damage.

Not to beat this to death (pardon the pun), I can see how this could of been smashed with out affecting the rims, but I'm still having trouble with the raised metal. I suppose some of it could of come from the devices even though it does not look like it has been layered onto the fields away from the devices. Also there are other areas such as on the coat where there is a thin layer of copper added and very little distortion.