Error Other | 1991 P worn out die or something else?

[makecents]

This caught my eye when I was looking between the columns. Did not no if this was just a die on it's last leg or something else. Thanks for any thoughts. Jon.

[Petespockets55]

I'm not sure because it appears to extend slightly onto the face of column #4 in the full reverse image.
(Also is there something in the first bay at the bottom?)

[VAB2013]

I'm thinking it's a dual die clash event. I'm looking for other signs of a die clash, do you see any Jon?

[makecents]

Pete I don't think it's on the face of the column but looks like it extends to the next bay at the very top following the same angle. As for the first bay, I think it was just the copper shining through the crud (pic included). Vivien, I thought the same thing but do not see anything else but there is extensive polishing that may be from them trying to cover it up.

[VAB2013]

Jon, have you gone to http://www.maddieclashes.com/

there are examples of overlays that are real helpful when you are looking for die clash remnants

[makecents]

Jon, have you gone to http://www.maddieclashes.com/

there are examples of overlays that are real helpful when you are looking for die clash remnants

Thank you once again Vivien!! That would appear to be what I have here, very cool site. It looks to be Lincolns jacket and as I said there was some crazy polishing on this coin so there could have easily been more clashing.

[Petespockets55]

Pete I don't think it's on the face of the column but looks like it extends to the next bay at the very top following the same angle. As for the first bay, I think it was just the copper shining through the crud (pic included). Vivien, I thought the same thing but do not see anything else but there is extensive polishing that may be from them trying to cover it up.

Thanks for the follow up images.
I'm thinking extra metal or lamination. Doesn't look right for a clash.

[jfines69]

Nice find... I am with Vivien... Remnants of a dual clash event... It has been abraded... The SE corner of Bay4 (B4) is the back of Abes head and has been abraded... I can see the abrasions in B5 also... As the dies wear they develop a convex shape... This causes clash events to show up toward the central part of the dies instead of being spread out across the die face... Die alignment can also affect the clash... Since there are no visible clash remnants or abrasions on the obv at the jacket and back of head the obv die is not the one involved with the rev clash... The obv die for your coin was also slightly misaligned by the looks of it - larger rim on the west and thinner on the east... Hope I didn't over anal eyes for you

[makecents]

"Thanks for the follow up images.
I'm thinking extra metal or lamination. Doesn't look right for a clash." Pete, I like the extra metal idea and looked at several examples of this but mine seems to be too consistent. Most of the extra metal examples I saw were very jagged and rough. It made me look at more of what I was not familiar with though and more to refer to in the future. Thanks!!

[makecents]

Nice find... I am with Vivien... Remnants of a dual clash event... It has been abraded... The SE corner of Bay4 (B4) is the back of Abes head and has been abraded... I can see the abrasions in B5 also... As the dies wear they develop a convex shape... This causes clash events to show up toward the central part of the dies instead of being spread out across the die face... Die alignment can also affect the clash... Since there are no visible clash remnants or abrasions on the obv at the jacket and back of head the obv die is not the one involved with the rev clash... The obv die for your coin was also slightly misaligned by the looks of it - larger rim on the west and thinner on the east... Hope I didn't over anal eyes for you

Thank you for your explanation and it seems to fit very well. The site Vivien sent me to definitely gave very good and similar examples that matched what I seem to have here. I noticed that there can be many things that come into play when the clash occurs, such as the rotation of the coin and even being off center. It did not think about the coin being concave and you suggested and the clash only occurring towards the center which makes total sense. Thank you sir!!

[jfines69]

It did not think about the coin being concave and you suggested and the clash only occurring towards the center which makes total sense. Thank you sir!!

Remember the coin is concave because the die was convex... I get this wrong more often than not Once I realize my error then things makecents (pun intended)