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  • makecents
    Paid Member

    • Jun 2017
    • 11037

    #1

    Error Other | 1985 P something new for me,what is this?

    Alright, I know you guys are probably getting sick of my crazy questions but what in going on here? Thanks for looking!
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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9473

    #2
    Die Deterioration Doubling: A circumstance that occurs from die deterioration whereby the devices show a duplicate image on a coin. As metal must flow into the recessed areas of the die during the strike to form the devices on a coin, the edges and corners of the design elements on the die begin to wear. Eventually, this wear shows as a doubled image on the coins they strike. On Lincoln cents, the date and mint mark are often the first to show this doubling, since these devices are in the middle of a field with no other counter-relief to aid metal flow. Die deterioration doubling usually exhibits on the rim side of the devices, as in the example below. The 1955 “Poor Man’s Doubled Die” is NOT a doubled die at all, rather it is an example of die deterioration doubling. Dies in this time period were grossly “overused” resulting in many coins showing this common form of doubling. Die deterioration doubling is not generally considered collectible. Photo of the 1955 “poor man’s doubled die” is courtesy of forum member dinkyblue. Please also see Jason Cuvelier’s excellent tutorial on the subject Here.
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    • Maineman750
      Administrator

      • Apr 2011
      • 12070

      #3
      Die deterioration...check it out in our glossary.....too slow with my one handed typing....lol But.....what's up with all the 18__ typos ? I fixed a couple yesterday
      Last edited by Maineman750; 07-05-2017, 06:59 PM.
      https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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      • makecents
        Paid Member

        • Jun 2017
        • 11037

        #4
        Originally posted by willbrooks
        Die Deterioration Doubling: A circumstance that occurs from die deterioration whereby the devices show a duplicate image on a coin. As metal must flow into the recessed areas of the die during the strike to form the devices on a coin, the edges and corners of the design elements on the die begin to wear. Eventually, this wear shows as a doubled image on the coins they strike. On Lincoln cents, the date and mint mark are often the first to show this doubling, since these devices are in the middle of a field with no other counter-relief to aid metal flow. Die deterioration doubling usually exhibits on the rim side of the devices, as in the example below. The 1955 “Poor Man’s Doubled Die” is NOT a doubled die at all, rather it is an example of die deterioration doubling. Dies in this time period were grossly “overused” resulting in many coins showing this common form of doubling. Die deterioration doubling is not generally considered collectible. Photo of the 1955 “poor man’s doubled die” is courtesy of forum member dinkyblue. Please also see Jason Cuvelier’s excellent tutorial on the subject Here.
        Thank you sir!! I had seen some of the DDD but did not realize it could be this extreme, it never even crossed my mind. Thanks again.

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        • makecents
          Paid Member

          • Jun 2017
          • 11037

          #5
          Originally posted by Maineman750
          Die deterioration...check it out in our glossary.....too slow with my one handed typing....lol But.....what's up with all the 18__ typos ? I fixed a couple yesterday
          Thank you too sir!! That's pretty impressive with the messed up wrist! I hope you're healing well. From what I've seen on the posts you are a very person and this is probably driving you crazy!! As for the 1800's I'm sorry but I've spent the last several years searching Morgan dollars and it's just natural I guess, having a hard time shaking it. Jim has fixed a couple too. Thank you for doing that!

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          • jfines69
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            • Jun 2010
            • 28627

            #6
            Originally posted by makecents
            Thank you too sir!! That's pretty impressive with the messed up wrist! I hope you're healing well. From what I've seen on the posts you are a very person and this is probably driving you crazy!! As for the 1800's I'm sorry but I've spent the last several years searching Morgan dollars and it's just natural I guess, having a hard time shaking it. Jim has fixed a couple too. Thank you for doing that!
            Natural when stuck in the 1800s
            Jim
            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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            • jfines69
              Paid Member

              • Jun 2010
              • 28627

              #7
              Originally posted by makecents
              Thank you too sir!! That's pretty impressive with the messed up wrist! I hope you're healing well. From what I've seen on the posts you are a very person and this is probably driving you crazy!! As for the 1800's I'm sorry but I've spent the last several years searching Morgan dollars and it's just natural I guess, having a hard time shaking it. Jim has fixed a couple too. Thank you for doing that!
              Just like a FORD - Fix Or Repair Daily Changed the date to 1985!!!
              Jim
              (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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              • makecents
                Paid Member

                • Jun 2017
                • 11037

                #8
                Originally posted by jfines69
                Just like a FORD - Fix Or Repair Daily Changed the date to 1985!!!
                That would be why I have a Chevy! Heh, heh. I just got a half roll of 1904-O Morgans to search, so maybe that will help. Thank you Jim I appreciate you cleaning up after me.

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                • jfines69
                  Paid Member

                  • Jun 2010
                  • 28627

                  #9
                  Originally posted by makecents
                  That would be why I have a Chevy! Heh, heh. I just got a half roll of 1904-O Morgans to search, so maybe that will help. Thank you Jim I appreciate you cleaning up after me.
                  Those Morgans sound cool... Good luck and always happy to help out!!!
                  Jim
                  (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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