Error Other | 1989 P- Mint error, PSD or a combination?

[Petespockets55]

I pulled this one out of my "trash" pile two times thinking there was more to it than just PSD only to throw it back and finally decided to share and get feedback on it.
I think it may have been struck out of collar (on the collar?) as well as other errors but I'm so confused at this point I would probably accept a conclusion that it is really an ice cream cone.

1)The letters above the designers initials are reverse and incuse from W(?)E T_U (please see Edit: below) which makes me think a second coin was mashed against this one. (At the mint or outside the mint?) But as deep as the letters are I'm surprised the rim didn't make an incuse impression also.

2)The "trench" runs 3/4 of the way around the coin concentric to the rim and begins at TES of STATES and goes to the bottom left corner of the building. There appears to be letters and devices inside the depression.

3)There is a depression below the steps with part of a letter(?) which seems to be in line with the field from the the incuse WE T_U, but again no sign of any incuse rim.

4)And of course the circular bulge on the obverse and matching dimple on the reverse.

There are a lot of things saying "post strike damage" but there are some things that don't seem to fit that simple diagnosis.

My head hurts, time for some eggnog. Thanks for any help.

Edit: After further study the letters by the designers intitials are E P_U and they are incuse. They are too close together to be WE T_U

[makecents]

You'll need a couple of toddies for that one Cliff!! That is some insane stuff going on there. I look forward to seeing what the folks here have to say about this one.

[VAB2013]

That is a weird one for sure! I sent a similar one to BJ a couple of years ago with a bunch of trial dies and it was PSD but trying to figure out how in the world that could have happened is enough to cause a headache!

Here's my idea... so you can get a good laugh and maybe it will help your headache I'm not seeing any misalignment of the die, so I think that rules out still collar or die attrition. Something about it reminds me of coins I have seen that were bowed, does it have a bowed look like something punched it or is it flat? That area that is puffed up on the obverse, does it correspond with the incuse area on the reverse? Sorry I have a headache now and I can't remember from looking at the pics.

After we have some fun trying to figure this one out, I think a PM to Mike would be in order

[mustbebob]

To me...everything about it says PSD...especially the incuse letters and the other damage visible on the reverse. As far as trying to explain how it was done; that would just be some wild guessing.

[Petespockets55]

......... Something about it reminds me of coins I have seen that were bowed, does it have a bowed look like something punched it or is it flat? That area that is puffed up on the obverse, does it correspond with the incuse area on the reverse? .......... After we have some fun trying to figure this one out, I think a PM to Mike would be in order

Yes the Obv is bowed upward in the circular area around Lincoln's head and yes it does correspond with the incuse area on the reverse. The obv field by TRUST is almost flush with the rim.

To me...everything about it says PSD...especially the incuse letters and the other damage visible on the reverse. As far as trying to explain how it was done; that would just be some wild guessing.

Thanks for your insight BOB. That is why it ended up in my trash pile two times. Too many parts looked PSD.

But I keep coming back to the "recessed trench" running 3/4 of the way around the reverse. It seems too precisely parallel to the rim and starts abruptly at the R of PLURIBUS and then tapers off at the other end.
I just thought some of this might have occurred at the mint.

[VAB2013]

Cliff, I see what you are saying about the reverse trench, that would have me puzzled too. It reminds me of one I found that was determined to have been in a bezel, it had that trench but it was all the way around. It was as if the metal got stretched out of proportion from the bezel.

[Petespockets55]

Cliff, I see what you are saying about the reverse trench, that would have me puzzled too. It reminds me of one I found that was determined to have been in a bezel, it had that trench but it was all the way around. It was as if the metal got stretched out of proportion from the bezel.

Thanks Viv. Bezels, or the process of getting the coins into the bezel, really do odd things to the coins.

[GrumpyEd]

It looks like all PSD, I doubt it was just a bezel because most bezels would not mess up the center area of a coin.

[jfines69]

I'm in with the ice cream cone idea PSD... Someone must have been practicing their garage job skills... Dang rookie garage jobbers Oh don't forget the NOGG