Error Other | 1995p - with multiple feeder finger die gouge lines

[Petespockets55]

I found this 1995 p with feeder finger die scrapes in a stash my sister brought back from her Mom's home in New Hampshire.
I don't recall seeing this many lines/scrapes on a memorial before.
Thanks for looking. Cliff

[VAB2013]

Those scrapes do look like they came from feeder fingers to me too but they are closer together than ones I have seen. I have seen many FF scrapes all over the area below the Memorial (and extending to the inside portion of the Memorial) but they are more spaced out, maybe a couple are close together.

I have always wondered how the multiple FF scrapes occur in different spots on the coin and how the FF managed to scrape the die in those various locations when the die is fixed and the FF is fixed until it starts to break loose.

[VAB2013]

Cliff, I was trying to find the post where I think I asked onecent1909 John this question, I'm still looking.

But check out the feeder finger damage that Bob posted in this thread http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...=feeder+finger

[makecents]

That's pretty neat looking and different from what I've seen. Are they only in that southeast quadrant?

[Petespockets55]

Cliff, I was trying to find the post where I think I asked onecent1909 John this question, I'm still looking.

But check out the feeder finger damage that Bob posted in this thread http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...=feeder+finger

Thanks and thanks Viv.
Those are some great threads.
(And yes Bob, per your inquiry in the linked thread, you may certainly use any of my images you find helpful or I can send the coin to you)

And I noticed the ones on mine (+-40 degrees) are a slightly different angle, in comparison to the vertical axis, than the one's in Bob's thread (+-20 degrees).

[jfines69]

Nice FF scrapes... Apparently what happens. if memory serves me correctly, is a planchet doesn't feed and the timing is off causing the feeder fingers to be struck into the die as they are being retracted??? There have been several posted on the LCF with even more scrapes on them... Which I could find the threads!!!

[Petespockets55]

Nice FF scrapes... Apparently what happens. if memory serves me correctly, is a planchet doesn't feed and the timing is off causing the feeder fingers to be struck into the die as they are being retracted??? There have been several posted on the LCF with even more scrapes on them... Which I could find the threads!!!

The one Viv linked to has quite a few on that coin, above and below the memorial.
(Don't know the year because only closeups of the FF lines were included.)

[jfines69]

The one Viv linked to has quite a few on that coin, above and below the memorial.
(Don't know the year because only closeups of the FF lines were included.)

I looked at that one... It is nice!!!

[VAB2013]

Jim and Cliff, I could not find the thread where I thought I asked onecent1909 about why so many FF scrapes are seen. Maybe I just thought about asking him....

I guess since the die is fixed and the FF is not when it is starting to get loose and break away then it's possible the FF could gouge the die in different locations and at different times during production even after the FF breaks away and it's replacement starts getting loose??

[Petespockets55]

Nice FF scrapes... Apparently what happens. if memory serves me correctly, is a planchet doesn't feed and the timing is off causing the feeder fingers to be struck into the die as they are being retracted??? There have been several posted on the LCF with even more scrapes on them... Which I could find the threads!!!

Makes me wonder if dies could clash with the feeder fingers if the timing was off or the FF didn't get out of the way? That would certainly leave interesting marks on the dies.

[VAB2013]

Makes me wonder if dies could clash with the feeder fingers if the timing was off or the FF didn't get out of the way? That would certainly leave interesting marks on the dies.

Yeah, there must be a timing factor that keeps that from happening. It would surely make a mess of the dies! Although there could be an error coin somewhere that is struck through FF fragments if the FF is sticky with gunk and lands on the die about the time the planchet falls into place.

[jfines69]

Makes me wonder if dies could clash with the feeder fingers if the timing was off or the FF didn't get out of the way? That would certainly leave interesting marks on the dies.

Since the feeder fingers are timed to activate between strikes it should be possible to have a clash and FF damage all in one... The FF damage is to the anvil die so we know that no planchet was in place at the time of occurrence... As heavy as the FF damage is on some of these I wonder why there isn't clashes showing??? Unless the die was polished to remove the clash or the thickness of the FFs is such that a clash could not occur???

[Petespockets55]

Since the feeder fingers are timed to activate between strikes it should be possible to have a clash and FF damage all in one... The FF damage is to the anvil die so we know that no planchet was in place at the time of occurrence... As heavy as the FF damage is on some of these I wonder why there isn't clashes showing??? Unless the die was polished to remove the clash or the thickness of the FFs is such that a clash could not occur???

Thanks Jim.
I was thinking of generally speaking on another coin, if there is the possibility or actual examples of the Feeder Fingers getting caught between the dies or hammer die and planchet? If this did occur I wouldn't think there would be transfer of design elements of the two dies because the FF would prevent the dies from contacting each other.

I was trying to find the link (I'm even coming up short on the correct term) for Misaligned or MAD die clash(?) where the rim appears to be present but any transfer of devices (letters) are not visible.

Could these be the result of Feeder Fingers getting caught between the dies?

Or getting caught between the planchet and die, which would show up only on the obv./hammer die and that one coin as a flat spot with an arc similar in size to a coin?

[jfines69]

Thanks Jim.
I was thinking of generally speaking on another coin, if there is the possibility or actual examples of the Feeder Fingers getting caught between the dies or hammer die and planchet? If this did occur I wouldn't think there would be transfer of design elements of the two dies because the FF would prevent the dies from contacting each other.

I was trying to find the link (I'm even coming up short on the correct term) for Misaligned or MAD die clash(?) where the rim appears to be present but any transfer of devices (letters) are not visible.

Could these be the result of Feeder Fingers getting caught between the dies?

Or getting caught between the planchet and die, which would show up only on the obv./hammer die and that one coin as a flat spot with an arc similar in size to a coin?

If the FFs were stuck between the planchet and die and struck it would be a struck through... A capped die strike will give the rims but little to no devices!!!

[jfines69]

Cliff sent me this coin for pics... Some fairly good feeder finger scrapes were on this die... There are even some up in the bays... The last pic is to show how lighting can hide or show what is on the coin!!!